Mixed Spirits
Welcome to Mixed Spirits, the podcast where high-proof cocktails meet the low-down details of the strange stories we are fascinated by.
Every week, neighbors Stephanie and Annie mix up a drink and dive headfirst into the weird, strange, and spooky world we live in. Whether it’s a spine-chilling true crime case, a deeply unsettling ghost story, or a legendary cryptid sighting, we’ve got a story to tell and a drink to go with it. Every episode kicks off with a unique, curated cocktail designed to fuel our descent into the strange and horrifying.
Grab a glass, lock your doors, and join us for a round of unsettling tales and killer drinks. Cheers!
Mixed Spirits
02-The Cop Who Wouldn't Quit and Reincarnation in India
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Grab your Texas sized old fashioned and settle in, because this week Mixed Spirits is taking you from the grueling pavement of a Texas investigation to a mind-bending mystery in India.
First, we dive into the relentless world of Houston Police Department Detective Johnny Bonds. In 1979, a horrific suburban tragedy is quickly written off by the medical examiner as a murder-suicide. But Bonds refuses to accept the easy answer. His stubborn gut instinct launches a legendary, years-long crusade to uncover a ruthless, greed-driven murder-for-hire ring. It's a masterclass in Lone Star grit and a stark reminder of what happens when a cop simply refuses to quit with a surprised twist at the end!
Then, we cross the globe to Agra, India, for the staggering case of Titu Singh. At just two years old, a young boy begins claiming he already has a wife, children, and a radio shop in a nearby city. What sounds like a child’s vivid imagination turns into one of the most thoroughly documented reincarnation cases in history—complete with matching autopsy birthmarks and memories that ultimately point to an unsolved murder.
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Is it cute? Is it cute? Oh god, it's heavy. It's a pure crystal. I was oh well. That's a good sound. Have you ever had one of one of these drinks before?
SPEAKER_02Old fashioned?
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I mean, people slip me drinks and I don't always know what it is.
SPEAKER_01Oh well, that's not really.
SPEAKER_02But have I said, hey, could you order me an old fashioned life?
SPEAKER_01Oh, what the heck? Ooh, lumpies. Oh, it's coming to slush. Ooh. Oh, God, I hope this is okay. But what is wrong with this? I don't think it anything's wrong with it. I just think it's sat in our fridge on the top shelf and uh holy shit, that's a drink boomer made.
SPEAKER_02Holy shit.
SPEAKER_01And welcome to our second episode of Mixed Spirits. Well, that's Annie.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I'm Annie. We're neighbors, and we like to tell each other stories, and we thought we'd start sharing them with you.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and I my name is Stephanie. If it's your first day here, welcome. Um, so I'm gonna try and play a game with you. Okay. Okay? So when I say 1970s Texas Detective, what type of mixed drink comes to mind? Now, think of the smoky bars and the late nights. That's not a beer.
SPEAKER_02Okay, this is a woman who thinks I drink more than wine and know the name of drinks. I know a slippery nipple. I don't think that's the answer.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02I'm pretty sure that's not. I'm gonna say it's an old-fashioned because I already know you poured me an old-fashioned.
SPEAKER_01Hey! I gave away the secrets. You're right.
SPEAKER_02I knew it wasn't a slippery nipple.
SPEAKER_01So today's mixed cocktail is from our curator Boomer. Um, is a drink that is to me screams detective vibes. It's an old-fashioned and not any old-fashioned, a Texas-sized old-fashioned.
SPEAKER_02Somebody grabbing my cigar.
SPEAKER_01Do we have that with you allowed to smoke in the house? So, Boomer mixed up a batch of old-fashions for us today. Batch. Just that was a big, big thing last night when we were having a conversation. Uh, he wanted me to explain the batch drink reasoning when you're having a party and playing bartender. Making batch drinks allows for the host to enjoy the party with their guest instead of spending time with the at the bar. Um, muddling oranges and limes and having the base made, ready to drink. Your guests can customize it from there. And as you know, Boomer and I we like sometimes to host. Boomer wants to be a part of it and not sit behind a the bar the entire time. So Boomer recalls of his youth of how his grandparents met. His grandfather uh was delivering bread from his family's bakery to his future grandmother's family speakeasy during prohibition. Uh, some would say that it was love at first bite of bread.
SPEAKER_02Of bread.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I had to. Uh Boomer remembers that when he visited his grandparents, Grandpa Norm always had a batch of Manhattan's ready to consume later in life. So thank you.
SPEAKER_02Can I interject here and say that um for those who don't know Boomer, he can make a batch and he can even put ice in it, and you can wait five hours for that ice to melt, and you are still gonna get drunk off your ass, and it's gonna be so strong. That's Boomer's drink. So get ready.
SPEAKER_01Well, we were the ones who's gonna be suffering this at this point. Um, so Boomer made this old-fashioned with bourbon whiskey uh from the giant Texas Distillery here in Houston. Uh, it's University of Houston bourbon whiskey is the name of it. Um, I think they have a couple of alums that work in the distillery. So the guy that created the uh this bourbon was basically saying like a nod to the people he works with or work with him. Um we did a taste testing last night of it, and it was sweeter than I expected. Um so it was nice. It was like a nice smooth finish. I know you just had a sip of it and yeah, I cheated.
SPEAKER_02I cleaned out my uh my nasals, my sinuses are now shiny.
SPEAKER_01So, and then um this is also mixed with another Texas brand simple syrup that uh brand name is called Toasted, and it's called the Orange Peel Simple Syrup. Typically, you would just do like some water and sugar, but Boomer wanted to texify it, so this is also this the orange syrup is also a small batch, and it's bottled uh around the Dallas Fort Worth area. And then other than the Luxard cherries, which are a dream on their own, this is a Texas old-fashioned through and through.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah. Texas old fashioned. Yeah, cheers!
SPEAKER_01Good luck again.
unknownDamn.
SPEAKER_01Oh man. Breathe, my pasty friend. Breathe. You were so upset about the beer last time. I told you we're gonna get a mixed drink this time.
SPEAKER_02I was upset until I tasted it. That stuff was good.
SPEAKER_01So Boomer actually looked up the notes of it um online, and there is a fruity note in it that we both blocked, but it was banana.
SPEAKER_02See, I know I was not gonna go there.
SPEAKER_01I ne I I couldn't.
SPEAKER_02I feel like Peach, my suggestion was a little off. What well banana.
SPEAKER_01Banana. Yeah, I don't I well, I said I was like, it was really good. It's a sweet beer, but we just couldn't put our finger on what the actual fruit was. And he said banana was like one of the first notes. And there are there were citrusy flavors, but it just said like a citrus syrup or something to it.
SPEAKER_02I feel like I need another one just to s to really imagine that banana in it.
SPEAKER_01Ban banana in it? Banana. Banana in it. Okay, here we go. So um, but Boomer decided to give us a drink because my story uh begins in the late 1970s in Houston, uh, with a call to a home in the River Oaks area with one detective who got the name the cop who wouldn't quit.
SPEAKER_02Aw. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, so this is the story that I'm uh I'm related to in some sort of weird way, okay? Awesome. So this is so there's also some really um interesting names in here again. I may butcher them. I've tried my best to put the actual how to say it. So this is the murder of the Wanstroth family and Trudy Zaboglio. This is Mrs. Gertrude Zaboglio. I assume her name's Gertrude, I have no idea. But she goes by Trudy.
SPEAKER_02Uh it was 1970s, of course.
SPEAKER_01I do grow. So in July of 1979, John 35. Oh, hey, are you ready for the story, by the way? Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_02We'll go right into it. Just dive right in. Oh, but I I think that maybe there should be a disclosure there. Okay. You're breathing, I can hear it.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02And I think people need to know that you are recovering from the cold weird hell. Like it was bad. It was so bad that this poor girl is deaf in one ear, but still. So it's bad. Should I turn my mic down? No, you should not. Just keep breathing. Yes, yes, keep breathing. Don't stop breathing. People should know that this is this is not you being a monster. This is you recovering from just all up in the mic. Actually, that sounded sexy. Do it again. No, I'm not gonna do it again.
SPEAKER_01Uh, so John, who is 35, and his wife Diana, 36, and their 14-month-old adopted son, Kevin, were found murdered in their home. A neighbor was the one who found them and called the cops. John and Diana were in the living room with gunshot wounds to their heads, and Kevin was in his bedroom face down, surrounded by stuffed animals with a fatal gunshot to the back of his head. I don't know what it is with me telling stories right now of like dead children.
SPEAKER_02Right. What it Holy So they may go to jail for being molested?
SPEAKER_01Nope, apparently only for a year. Only for a month, it seems. So the neighbors didn't have anything bad to say about the Wandstraths, and friends recounted John as a delightful and intelligent person, and uh Diana just adored him. His uh adored John. Police were called to the home, and uh Johnny Bonds and his partner Eli Uresti were the first to arrive. At the house there was no signs of forced entry or anything that pointed to a robbery. Nothing was out of place, and there was also no gun at uh anywhere in the home. So this is when Bonds and Euresti changed their minds from murder to murder for hire. The officers wondered if greed was a factor because the home at the time was worth one million. Now today it's about 4.4 mil.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01It's River Oaks. It's a little bit of a bougie place, but you know, well off. Uh Bonds, Johnny Bonds immediately did a polygraph test on each of the family members since they would be the ones to benefit from the family's wealth. The Wanstroth family passed with flying colors, except for uh Diana's brother. This is a really fun name. Markham Duff Smith.
SPEAKER_02Say that when you're mad at him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I found out that Duff Smith, the brother, was also adopted by the family. By um Trudy. Oh, okay. Trudy Zabollio is the family the mom of Diana and Markham Duff Smith.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Yeah. Okay. So she was So that was their their adopted brother.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Okay. Muck Markham was, yeah. Um so Markham claimed he was at home with his wife, but the polygraph was all over the place. He was an immediate suspect, but there was no evidence to pin the crime on him. Uh, there wasn't enough to charge him with the murder. So in May of 1980, seven months later, the murders were officially ruled a murder suicide. So the murder medical examiner at the time was a well-known doctor in Harris County by the name of Joseph Yakimchik. Uh-huh. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_02I love interrupting you ten seconds after you've actually covered the point, but I'm still stuck on murder. Is that what we claim when we can't solve a crime? We say, oh, you must have killed yourself? So, and that, yes.
SPEAKER_01Uh for whatever reason, this medical examiner has this whole idea that there is a psychological autopsy that can be taken place when there is no way they can't figure out how the person was killed or whether, you know, because there was no gun in the home, so they were like, Well, it has to be because So there's no gun and they were shot.
SPEAKER_02So that means they killed themselves, and then their ghost lifted the gun and hid it somewhere else.
SPEAKER_01Right. And that's why Detective Bonds was like, something doesn't sit right. You know, I'm not quite sure, and that's why he was called cop who wouldn't quit, because he just kept digging for answers and digging for answers.
SPEAKER_02Well, thank God, because suicide for some religions is a way to not get into heaven. So here you are saying these people committed the ultimate sin just because I can't solve your murder.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Uh Dr. Yakimchek, and I remember growing up like hearing this guy's name because he was really in deep with like Harris County officials and just like a kind of larger-than-life guy as a, you know, medical examiner. It was just one of those things that you would see him on the news and be like, oh, that's that guy. So Dr. Joe was a forensic pathologist and he enlisted the help of Dr. Thomas Waylou, and together they released the psychological autopsies, like I was telling you. So the term psychological autopsy was coined in the late 1950s by Dr. Edwin Scheinman, a renowned psychologist and suicidologist, in collaboration with the Los Angeles County Chief Medical Examiner's Coroner's Office. Psychological autopsy is a systematic procedure used to reconstruct the psychological and social circum circumstances surrounding an individual's death, especially in cases where the manner of death is uncertain or unclear, like suspected suicides.
SPEAKER_02I watch all the cop shows. I have never heard of this. Right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It's still apparently being used to this day. Yeah. Um, the technique helps investigators determine the cause of death, delving into the deceased's mental state, intentions, and potential motivations in the period leading up to their passing. Okay. It's a very scientific explanation for it. Over the next six months, a guy from the Catholic Church searched every inch of the Wandstroth's house, looking f at all the books, all the music, all the food they ate, and all the personal notes, even to what kind of underwear they wore.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's personal.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh. Which is I I just feel like this psychological autopsy stuff is it's crazy. So here is why they think that this was a murder suicide. They found a sex magazine and they found a sex toy.
SPEAKER_02Oh my. I mean, oh my.
SPEAKER_01So their natural instinct was to go to Diana Was Gay.
SPEAKER_02Really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02God, I'm a gay bitch.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh. I am so gay.
SPEAKER_02Damn. Also, clearly I'm suicidal.
SPEAKER_01Because I knew that about you. I've been having this one slip of drink, yeah. Um, so that was their logic. That was the ruling they went with. Was, you know, she has a sex toy. She has a text toy in sex magazine, so yeah. Yeah. So uh all they had was just a sex toy and a shaky theory. Uh-huh. Okay. The authorities did cite that Diana had an alleged, I'm doing the air quotes, y'all, history of depression after her mother. Oh, it is Gertrude. Ha ha! I knew. Uh, after her mother, Gertrude, um, committed suicide in 75. Okay. Okay. So our detective buddy, Johnny Bonds, believes that there was something that didn't add up, but the two doctors had a lot of clout in the county. Bonds was then moved to internal affairs, where he continued to work on the case with Sergeant Dan Macinulty after the doctors ruled on what they thought was the reason for the murder suicide. So here's where things get convoluted and complex. Officer Bonds, or buddy, had this feeling that money was the reason the family was murdered. The lack of evidence, there was no forced entry, no robbery, and no gun at the house. And after the failed polygraph given to Diana's brother, Bonds uncovered evidence suggesting that there was a contract for hire for the murders of John, Diana, and Kevin. And this is where Bonds learned about a man named Walt Walthauser Jr.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So I I'm I'm thinking, why have a contract killer take out a child? But then the only reason would be so that he doesn't inherit the house.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02Okay, alright. Just making sure I'm catching up.
SPEAKER_01You are you watch a lot of those TV shows. You're nailing it. Um, all right, so I'm gonna talk about the brother, Markham Duff Smith, and the company that he kept. Um, so Markham Duff Smith had a thirst for the lavish lifestyle after his mother's suicide in 1975. Duff Smith inherited $100,000 from her estate. He seemed to blow through that money rather quickly, and people described him as a man who grew up with money, but as an adult, often had no cash and was always borrowing from friends or relatives, despite having money to spend on clothes and cars after his mother's death. Uh, Markham ran scams on insurance companies. He would take a job selling the insurance and convince his friends to insure their lives for amounts up to $500,000. The friends would never make a payment. Duff Smith would make the first payment on the policy, get his commission, and book it.
SPEAKER_02Okay, I was just waiting to see if the friends died.
SPEAKER_01No. Well, and that was the thing. Uh, when the policy would come up to collect the money, they would cancel the policy, and the insurance companies would get on to Duff Smith about what he was doing. So he would just up and quit or leave and then go pull that insurance scam on somebody else. Okay. On another insurance company. He would just do it over and over and over again. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think it's a super smart way of making money back then where I say I'm gonna insure you for, you know, $500,000 and you don't make a first payment, and I make the first payment, and then I get that commission, it's $10,000 in my pocket, and I can do that ten other times with this one insurance company. Right.
SPEAKER_02If it works once, why not do it again?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So uh that's basically how he operated his entire life just to make the money. So after the murders, the Houston Post ran a story on the front page. The reporter covering the story received an anonymous tip from a guy that said that even though he didn't have a connection to Diana's murder, Markham claimed to have his mother killed four years earlier. As I said earlier, Trudia Zaboglio was found dead in her River Oaks home, strangled with a pair of pantyhose.
SPEAKER_02Wait, that was a suicide. She strangled herself with a pair of pantyhose. And then, of course, you know, once once she regained consciousness, because you can't keep holding it once you lose consciousness, then she came awake and then she did it again until she finally succeeded. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, just want to make sure I understood. So, you know, the medical examiner office that rolled this death also as a suicide. So we are definitely zero fucking lazy or two on the medical record re medical examiner's record. Um, the anonymous caller reported that there had been a middleman in Trudy's murder, a guy who was into real estate and collecting coins. The reporter turned all this information over to Detective Bonds and Bonds uh to and to Bonds, the story sounded credible. So going through Duff Smith's known associates, Bond came across a coin collecting real estate guy named Walt Walthauser Jr. In fact, the day the family was murdered, Markham, Walt, and their wives had reservations to go to Las Vegas. It doesn't prove anything in the connection of the murders, however, it does show that Markham and Walt were friends. Uh, good enough to be able to go gambling together or on trips together. Um, when Bonds interviewed Walthauser, the detective casually mentioned that he heard Walthauser was a coin collector. Walthauser said, Yeah, how'd you know? And Bonds knew he was on the right track. So, uh, as the story goes, Bonds realized that Duff Smith and Waldhauser were thick as thieves, running scams together, and the two were fascinated by organized crime. Waldhauser sometimes passed him off himself off as an off-mafia attorney, even though he didn't have a law degree. Cool. Uh, more than a year and a half after the family murders, Waldhauser separated from his wife, and then she let the police come in and search the home, and in a pile of garbage, investigators came across five letters from Walthauser to a new character in our story. Alan Wayne Yanishka. Um, to uh yeah. Uh I guess that has to deal directly with this. So Yanishka is our new guy. So here is the possible trigger man. Alan Wayne Yanishka was a habitual felony offender. He served six months of a two-year sentence for burglary in 1972. And in 1974, he served another seven weeks in prison for violating the terms of his parole. And then again, in 76, he was sentenced to five years for another book burglary conviction, which he was released in just under two years. In between prison stays, um he would work for a Houston bail bond office in exchange uh for the company having posted bond for him in the one of the burglar cases. I'm probably probably sure the last one.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say that makes it really easy for them to find him, right? You work for the Bells Bond, you skip bail, they're like, we know where you are.
SPEAKER_01I guess it didn't matter though, he's not gonna serve his entire terms of his sentence, but here we are. Uh while working at the Bail Bonds office, Walthauser called a friend who also worked at the Bond's office and asked jokingly if he knew of anyone that would work as a hitman. Yanishka volunteered, and so Walthauser and Yanishka had a history of knowing one another.
SPEAKER_02But there was nothing the house was not burgalized, right? There was nothing taken. That's correct. But he's got this perchant for burgalizing. He murders them. Why didn't he just snoop around for a second and take stuff? Just wondering.
SPEAKER_01We don't have to be a good one. Because they have to make it look like it's a murder suicide. Oh. And not want to take anything.
SPEAKER_02Then they should not have taken the gun.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's fair. I agree. Um in 1979, our good old habitual felony offender was a part of a murder of a drug dealer in Houston. Although Yanishka was never arrested or charged in the case, Detective Bonds was able to track down the killer of that crime and ask questions about Yanishka if he'd ever talked about killing anyone. The kid who was out on probation answered with a simple, yeah. Uh, said uh Yanishka had some mafia deal that a mafia lawyer knew a guy that wanted his sister, brother-in-law, and baby nephew killed. And then all the pieces started to fall into place.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. He thought, hmm, I wonder who that could be.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Alright, so after the murders around July of 1980, Yanishka moved from Texas to Georgia to live with his girlfriend and her mother. Bond's partner from Maternal Affairs, Detective Dan Macinulty, went to Georgia looking for Yanishka. And at this point, the girlfriend was now living with her father after Yanishka moved back to Texas, trying to keep up with this guy. Fortunately for the detectives, the girlfriend handed over a 22-caliber pistol and a can of mace, which was said to be used in the murders.
SPEAKER_02A can of mace?
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh. My next point was like, why would you keep a bottle of mace?
SPEAKER_02Right. And also, how did they know mace was used in the murders?
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, if people are doing autopsies on them, I'm sure there's probably they found pepper spray in their eyes? Maybe.
SPEAKER_02That's a good autopsy, and yet they still came up with suicide. Suicide, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, because there's a sex toy in a sex magazine.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, I forget this important detail. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01All of us are gay if that's the case. I mean, I'm a little, but it's fine. Um how many sex toys do you have? Dang. Well, uh, state law says you could only have five. Oh, really? Yeah, Texas state law, I think it's only five.
SPEAKER_02I did not have to be a five. Three, four, or five. Yeah. Are we rebels?
SPEAKER_01Uh no, I am not. I'm close, but no. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Um I was just thinking about buying another one.
SPEAKER_01Oh. Well, and it's weird because the reason why there's a law against how many toys you can have in your home is because the intent to sell.
SPEAKER_02Oh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Don't they have little like um you know how they have tubware parties? Yeah, they have sex parties. Where they have sex parties, yes.
SPEAKER_01I think they still do those.
SPEAKER_02So there's nothing illegal with selling them.
SPEAKER_01I I can't make up the rules in Texas.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01It's I when I read that a couple of years ago, I was like, that is apropos, I feel, for where we live.
SPEAKER_02Also, come and get them.
SPEAKER_01That should be the flag. It should be a dildo when it says come and get it. Come and take it. Yep. Annie Harmon, you have opened my mind. I am gonna make a flag that says come and take it. And it's gonna be the penis. Yes. Well, I got well, I gotta be real careful on Instagram what I post because when I did the the flying fucks, yes, and Instagram like flagged me. They were like, hey now, because I did the one in pink.
SPEAKER_02No, but they're Flying off the shelves. And they were like, mm, this is a little close. Wait, it was it because it was oh, because it was pink flesh colored. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01So I had to do like a big censored.
SPEAKER_02But it was a black dick. No, it was a pink one. But you were representing a black dick, so sure. No, that doesn't make sense.
SPEAKER_01No, I haven't. No.
SPEAKER_02It made sense in my head. Like so so many things make so such good sense in my head. And Eric's like, what?
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna, but I'm doing the flag.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Do it.
SPEAKER_01Come and take it. Out of my cold, dead fingers. So they found um the bottle of mace, which isn't mace typically like a one-time use? No. You can use most times.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Show you how many people I've maced in my life.
SPEAKER_02Uh I've maced myself. Oh Jesus. While driving. 70 miles per hour. Because I borrowed a car.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you need better home.
SPEAKER_02And this car this car had this cute little adorable jar. And I thought it was a perfume jar. And I'm like, ooh, I want to try some of that. Because I borrowed her car. I'm gonna borrow her perfume. So I'll driving. Yes.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Girl, it was so hard to keep my eyes open. And clear and like and you still kept going. I kept going. You didn't pull over? 70 miles per hour. No. Oh my god. Not sure I would have angled right. No.
SPEAKER_01You're I'm alive. You're alive. That person smells like a pepper spray. That's weird. Okay. Anyway, going back to the story. So McNulty was back in Houston. Yanishka was in prison in Houston, and he was talking the Dan McNulty was talking to another officer about coming back from Georgia. And Yanishka heard that he had just come from Georgia and was interested in while what how people were doing in Georgia. Just anybody specific? No, he was just like, hey, how's how are people doing there? Because I guess, you know, with police officers in the same circles they run in, and Yanishka just coming from Georgia, and probably in run and running with the law over there too, was just like, how are things? How are things going? So he's basically giving himself away at this point, I feel. So Yanishka uh proceeded to push for more information about the investigation. Uh, and Detective McNulty said he believed that he had in his possession the gun and the can of mace used in the murders, and from that Yanishka made three statements confessing to the murder of Kevin, the baby, not Diana or John. And Yanishka claims that he only participated in the murders because he was afraid of the mafia connections Waldhauser had if he didn't cooperate, that Walthauser would have him killed.
SPEAKER_02Walthauser, the not attorney attorney.
SPEAKER_01Not attorney attorney, yeah. The guy who's also running the scams with uh Markham, the brother. So according to Yanishka, he and Walthauser went to the uh Wonstroth's home, they posed as architects who had a home building project to discuss, and they brought a bottle of champagne. After sharing the champagne with the unsuspecting couple, Walthauser sprayed Diana with mace. Yanishka then shot John and Diana, and then he entered the nursery and took took, I'm doing an air quids again, took care of the little one, shooting Kevin in the head. After leaving the house, Walthauser told Yanishka to destroy the gun, but instead he kept it. So, and Walthauser paid Yanishka several thousand dollars for this whole thing.
SPEAKER_02That was cheap, actually.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's 1980.
SPEAKER_02Several thousand even then is cheap.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I should have done what the math would have been if it was like two grand back then, probably closer to a ten now.
SPEAKER_02Ten grand. That's still really cheap for a murder. Especially a three-parter murder.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, if you need the money, I guess you'll do anything. So in March of 1981, Walthauser signed a typewritten statement admitting that on behalf of Duff Smith, he had hired Yanishka to cover to kill Duff Smith's mother, Trudy, the sister, brother-in-law, and the nephew in exchange for a cut of Duff Smith's inheritance, which included benefits from the family's life insurance policies. So that's what they found out was that Duff Smith, running the scam, signed up his brother-in-law, John.
SPEAKER_02And made himself the beneficiary?
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And since he blew through all of the money from his mom's inheritance, he needs to keep up with the Joneses.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01So, and I I remember when I was doing my research long time ago, I say long time ago, it was like four months ago. I remember that Duff Smith became really upset when they found out that when they adopted their son Kevin, they made him the beneficiary. And that made Duff Smith go crazy.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01And go ahead and decide they go ahead and kill the family. Because how dare this adopted child come into the fold and take all of my family's money and w but then, you know, he's adopted himself. Right, I was thinking So it's just I you know, I I don't money does some really, really weird things to people, and I don't I'll never know because I will never have that much money, and I'm okay with that because I don't want to go crazy. So, um Walthauser told the police that he had been an active participant in the Wandstrath's killings, spraying the faces of the two adults with mace, and according to Yanishka, Walthauser even held Diana to the floor while Yanishka shot her in the head. Of course, it goes back and forth if who actually pulled the trigger on the family. Although Trudy Zabolio's death was ruled a suicide, Yanishka confessed to killing her with her own pantyhose and leaving two suicide notes for a cut of the inheritance, uh, inheritance money from Doth Smith as well.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry. What what dumbass thinks somebody could strangle themselves with their own pantyhose? Like if you're not hanging from something, something has to permanently hold it instead of the.
SPEAKER_01They're women, they have depression. Yes. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02And they have arms that just stay in place even after they pass out.
SPEAKER_01Some strong pantyhose.
SPEAKER_02With some strong pantyhose, yes. Iron girdles.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's kind of our name. Gird never mind. Um so now with both men confessing to these crimes, uh, and the brother Markham implicated in as well, they were all tried and convicted by a jury of their peers. Markham was convicted in 1981 of the killing of his adoptive mother, Trudy Zaboglio, and was never prosecuted in the Wanstraths case. He was executed in June of 93 and denied his involvement in either case right up to the moment of his execution, confessing to both crimes in his last statement. Yanishka was convicted of the murder of baby Kevin in April of 1981.
SPEAKER_02Phoenix up.
SPEAKER_01What are you doing, sweet girl?
SPEAKER_02This is some loud footprints.
SPEAKER_01What do you need? Can you get up?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01She nailed it.
SPEAKER_02Okay, good night.
SPEAKER_01She just hopped up in the chair.
SPEAKER_02See, Jovi's not here for her to mirror anymore.
SPEAKER_01I don't even know where Puppy went. Um so Yanishka was convicted of the murder of baby Kevin in 1981. April of 1981. He appealed a few times but eventually was found guilty again and sentenced to death in October of 1993. The courts affirmed this verdict, and his sentence was uh he was sentenced in November of 96, and all appeals were denied after that, and Yanishka was in uh executed by legal injection in July of 2003. So I have a fun fact here. Do you want to know what his last meal was?
SPEAKER_02What was his last meal?
SPEAKER_01So he wanted chicken fried steak, gravy, french fries, ketchup, salad, blue cheese dressing, iced tea with lemon, two sodas, rolls, and butter.
SPEAKER_02That actually sounds like a really good last meal. That sounds exactly what I would order.
SPEAKER_01I would have to I need to do the research again, but apparently they like they've stopped doing last meals for for uh prisoners. They figured they didn't deserve it? It's not that they don't deserve it because they're trying to be human in some sort of right, but what people were doing, from what I can recall, is ordering like huge swaths of food.
SPEAKER_02Oh, so it took longer to eat it.
SPEAKER_01And no, they wouldn't eat it at all. They would just let it, they would be like, haha, you made you cook this, and they had to throw all of it out.
SPEAKER_02Well, if nobody touched it, as this as the correctional officer, I'd be all mine, dibs.
SPEAKER_01And maybe that happened.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, they I mean, I'm not gonna waste food.
SPEAKER_01They they decided, yeah, I think that people were just taking advantage of the whole situation, so they said, we're not gonna do that anymore. Okay. But I don't know if it's true of all states or just this state. I don't know. So, Walter Alfred Walthauser Jr. pleaded guilty to three counts of murder in the Wanstroth case and was sentenced to 30 years in prison. He was released in February of 1990 after serving eight years of his sentence. Although he managed to avoid the death penalty, Walthauser, when he got out, legally changed his name to Michael Lee Davis and somehow changed his social security number, wiping out his identity as a paroled murderer. So apparently it's a po this is possible to do, but it's very hard to do it. And they're not quite sure how he got a new social security number. But he was able to do it. Yeah, maybe. Again, watch the cop shows. You're on to something. So, new name, same crime. Walt Houser uh turned back to his old scammer ways, and this time was scamming the terminally ill over life insurance policies.
SPEAKER_02Uh thing for life insurance policies.
SPEAKER_01It's an easy scam, I guess. If you're good at it, why not just keep doing it? Um he was sentenced to 60 years in prison uh in Dallas. Then last I read, he became eligible for parole in 2006, but now retired Detective Bonds continues to campaign to keep him behind bars. Uh he is now 72 and serving time at the Maximum Security All-Red Prison Unit located outside of Wichita Falls, Texas. Okay? So how does his entire story relate to me?
SPEAKER_02That's what I want to hear.
SPEAKER_01Uh so I have the luck of living in the exact same house as Detective Bonds.
SPEAKER_02Right now?
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02The house across from me.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh. Yep.
unknownOh, cool is that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I'm not sure when he purchased the home, but I know he moved out in 2005. Uh the earliest.
SPEAKER_02Whoa, whoa, whoa, 2005. Let me think. Okay, Steven had just been born. My youngest son, my life my yeah, my youngest son just born. We moved here 2007. I just hope. You just missed him.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Girlfriend, wouldn't it have been cool if we'd have been here a few years earlier? I'm only, I know the guy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yep. So the earliest I can see this when we owned the home was in 1988, which means he lived here during the trials and convictions of Markham Duff Smith, Alan Ganishka, and Vaultwald Houser.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01Isn't that crazy? That is, that is. Yeah. So I get to live inside a place where he probably spent a lot of late nights coming over evidence in the turmoil turmoil he endured after Sweet Kevin was found in his crib. He does say when you because he's still alive and he lives in, I think, Arkansas now. He does say that like why he really kept on this case was because this the little baby in the crib resembled his own son. And he's just-it just killed him to see that somebody senselessly just comes in and does these things to this family. Takes out wipes out a whole family in just one full swoop. So that's what kept him going. Um so Johnny Bonds said that this case will haunt him forever and he'll never forget the baby's face. Uh, he said it was all too similar to his own kid, and all the memories this house has seen it makes you wonder what your own house has seen. And what the walls could say if they could talk.
SPEAKER_02Wow, they talk through Fennec. My dog sees ghosts all the time.
SPEAKER_01So that's my uh Yeah, and it the only reason why I know about this whole thing was when we were getting our house redone after the termite damage, and uh one our neighbor came over and stuck his whole head inside the house.
SPEAKER_02This would be Frank?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01And he goes, Hey, this this is the best this house has looked since the police officer lived here. So me being me, I was like, what sort of weird things does this police officer get himself into? Because I have a morbid sense of curiosity. And so I go on to Harris County appraisal district and find my home, and it gives you the list of people who've owned your property before you. And so I know the last owners were not cops. No. So the next owner from that was uh Detective Bonds. So I boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, type his name in, and all of a sudden it just populates a list. There's a whole book written about the cop who wouldn't quit, all this sorts of stuff. And I was like, let me let me figure this out. And so when I'm telling Boomer about the story, and he was like, it's just so appropriate that this guy that we live in this guy's house while he was dealing with this entire thing, and like sleeping in the same rooms as him, and just enjoying company, and he may have put the pool in. I don't know. So yeah, I it's it's a neat little thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Write him a letter, he's still alive. Say, I'm enjoying your bedroom. Yeah, would you like to know?
SPEAKER_01I'm I'm I'm breaking Texas laws with my I'll send him the flag that I create. Come and take it in your room.
SPEAKER_02She thought you'd like to know.
SPEAKER_01Aye.
SPEAKER_02You know how last week we uh talked about ghosts being so traumatized by their ending that they stuck around to do a little haunting? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, what if you were murdered and a little haunting wasn't gonna be enough? Okay. What would you do?
SPEAKER_01Well, we did discuss poltergeist, but I guess that fits in line with the haunting part of it. Even though poltergeist and I feel that poltergeist and hauntings are two separate things. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02What if you gave yourself a whole new body? I d what okay, sure. So I actually read a case and it heads up, it was not documented enough for me to cover it today.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Um, but it was about a little boy who came back with- What do you mean it wasn't documented enough? There there was not enough facts online for me to say this was truly a case.
SPEAKER_01I see.
SPEAKER_02It could have been somebody's, it could have been an old old wife's tale that got shared over and over and over again. Because it is definitely you can find this case listed all over the place. Uh-huh. But never is his name mentioned, never is his parents' names mentioned. Okay. Details are not mentioned. And I'm like, mmm, sketch. So how did you find this case then? My neighbor. My other neighbor.
SPEAKER_01Oh, we can't find it.
SPEAKER_02I didn't say anything to you about this. My dog park neighbor.
SPEAKER_01Dog park okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay. He loves to go over conspiracy theories all the time. Oh.
SPEAKER_01Is this why you wanted to start a podcast to begin with? Is because your dog park neighbor was like, Yes, tell me more.
SPEAKER_02Oh. And I'm all like, okay, but why not tell everybody? Oh, so you started the whole conversation and he just kind of No, no, he he he starts them and I'm like, let's keep this going. Let's keep this going.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay. But anyways, so it was not documented enough for me to cover. Okay. But it's about a boy who was reincarnated. And before time erased his memories, he pointed out the man who killed him in his past life. Wow. He even pointed out where his body was buried. Wow. And when they dug it up, the man that he accused as his murderer confessed because he was like, okay, you got me on everything.
SPEAKER_01That's bananas.
SPEAKER_02It's bananas, exactly. That's right. And I would have loved to cover that one. It was just you look that one up, it is just so amazing. You're like, I've got to talk about that, but there's there wasn't enough to talk about.
SPEAKER_01Huh. Now I did say how. How guilty does this guy's conscience have to be though to sorry to interrupt you. No, go. To to be like, well, this kid outed me. Like, do you think at some point the guy just was like, uh I'm tired of keeping the secret. I'm tired of having to like make up whatever story, because it changes all the time, that I'm just done. So sure, this kid said this is my easy out. I'm near the end of my life anyway.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01Let me just it was my neighbor.
SPEAKER_02I'm always having to explain why I don't see him anymore.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. I just I believe it was his neighbor that he ratted out.
SPEAKER_01Oh wow.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Oh, damn.
SPEAKER_02Wow, okay. You know, do you ever notice I go mm-mm a lot?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_02Sometimes I go, mm-hmm mm-mm-mm.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02I was just thinking you can make a drinking game out of my mm-hmms. So anybody wanting to drink along with us. Boomer gives the recipes and I give you a reason to drink.
SPEAKER_01All the mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01No, see, drink.
SPEAKER_02I just did.
SPEAKER_01It almost came out your nose, too. You don't did me.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So I said before his memories faded, and that's because a lot of the cases that I've read where reincarnated kids can tell you all sorts of details about their past life. But once they start entering elementary school and stuff, they they get a certain age. Yeah, it all starts to fade and until finally they're just fully living their current life and like they've accepted it, right? So that was a commonality. And speaking of what usually happens, did you know there are actual commonalities to uh you know across all reincarnation cases? I say all, that was an exaggeration. A lot of reincarnation cases. Yes. So they don't apply to every case, but they show up often enough to mention. Okay? First, most cases were reborn within months of their previous. Okay. Yeah, mm-hmm, sure. Second, they're usually reincarnated within about 15 miles of where they lived before. God, that's so bizarre. That you come right back and you're like, I don't want to move far from the back.
SPEAKER_01Well, and the fact that, like, if we believe that you pick your parents to say, hmm, where is Google Maps in the 15 mile radius of where I'm not sure? Right, because I've got business.
SPEAKER_02I've got business. And third, okay, about 35% of them have birthmarks that match wounds from that previous life. I see, I fully believe that.
SPEAKER_01I fully believe that your birthmarks are definitely a reminder to your soul of who you were in a past life.
SPEAKER_02And if you have a lot of birthmarks, oh my god.
SPEAKER_01You've been around.
SPEAKER_02You've been around. You've been around for a bit. You've been around. So these are all facts that AI told me, so obviously I believe them 100%. So take that. There's one more thing I noticed, and that is so many accounts that I've read involve children who remember being killed.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Right? So I looked into it, and a recent analysis from the University of Virginia says roughly 70% of children who report past life memories say they died a violent or unexpected death.
SPEAKER_01And that makes sense. Sure, your memory's gonna remember all those things that happened to you because Yeah, so that's what I was thinking.
SPEAKER_02Like, what if what if that's what makes all the difference between, say, um holding on to your memories into the next life versus just starting fresh with no memories? I see. Right? And I wonder if trauma could be a key factor into why memory carries over it all. And if you think about it, the quick turnaround into a new body, uh, the close distance to a past life, and the birthmarks would all serve somebody who's coming back from trauma. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that is the difference between remembering your life. So you're all like, well, I don't remember a past life, so I don't believe it's true. Uh-huh. Well, maybe you didn't die a violent life or die a violent death in your past life. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I ha I read somewhere some time ago that when you decide to come back into this world after picking your parents and all those things, that you are given your entire life story. Like right before you enter the world.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01But I there's some men in black stuff that happens. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, or like what you're going to accomplish in your life that's you know it's all laid out in front of you already, but when you exit the birth canal, all of a sudden it's like some men in black shit where it's like zap and you forget everything that you've ever seen. Yeah. So I it's interesting that like some of that can carry over to be like, I have been, I was brutally murdered in this past life. How am I supposed to rectify it in this one for these kids? You know, it's gotta be really difficult too, I would think, as children to have to relive as one to two year olds to their violent death. Yeah. Right. To know what a gun is, to know what any of it is.
SPEAKER_02You imagine they're always much more mature than the other children.
SPEAKER_01Because if they're over those memories, yeah, but you're but like you said, they once they get into school age, it kind of just washes away.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So um, I have to say, if we're gonna be talking about reincarnation, I have to ask, do you believe in it?
SPEAKER_01I do to an extent. Um I don't know why. I believe it. Um I also believe that we have free will. I I I'm getting a whole different whole different shit of a storm that I don't want to talk about. Um, but we all want to hear. But I but I wouldn't, I'm not smart enough to have that discussion where I'm not gonna sound like a complete and utter idiot because words escape me a lot of times. Um I I've got I have one birthmark on my body that makes no sense. And it's on my temple. Like it's a bullet. Yeah. Yeah. I I don't know why. My birthday is also close to Abraham Lincoln's birthday.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01So I uh growing up.
SPEAKER_02Does it match where he would have been child?
SPEAKER_01No, he was in the back of the head, right? Okay. Mm-hmm. But I sure I I don't know. It just isn't.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so you're saying yours was on your temple, but even a left eye.
SPEAKER_01I don't know if you can see.
SPEAKER_02Is it this side? Oh, it's under the hair.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when I shave my head, it's but it's a circle. It looks like there would have been some sort of gun.
SPEAKER_02Alright, you're gonna relate really well with my story.
SPEAKER_01But I used to have like birthmarks here. I have birthmarks on my back.
SPEAKER_02They disappeared, so they won't show up in your next life.
SPEAKER_01I may have covered them with tattoos. Ooh, if I can get tattoos in my next life. I don't think that's how it works. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02I think you have to pay for those all over again, Ted. Sorry.
SPEAKER_01Oh, ruin our dreams over here. That's what I do.
SPEAKER_02That's what I do. Give me more alcohol, ruin more dreams. Well, the reason I ask is because Google I uh AI, I said I was gonna say ID. That's fine. Google AI told me that somewhere around 33% of the people do live in reincarnation, right? Yes. Okay, are you sure? Well, the reason I hesitate is because I'm thinking, is belief the same thing as wanting to believe? Because I want to believe so bad, so bad.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Do I actually believe? I do believe that our spirit goes on. So I absolutely believe that we don't die. I believe our spirit goes on. Does it enter another body? I'm always doing the math. Like every year more people are born. Therefore, where do more spirits come from?
SPEAKER_01But what if these people are like in line, like in TSA? They have to wait hours on end.
SPEAKER_02So there are many spirits that never even have been born yet and they're just waiting.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay. That helps a little bit, but because that's my biggest hesitation is the the math. Otherwise, yes. Because I do 100% believe that our spirit stays. Yeah. That we are still us.
SPEAKER_01After we die.
SPEAKER_02After we die. But what happens at that point is where I get a little fuzzy.
SPEAKER_01Well, if you knew, you'd be making millions of dollars telling people what I believe.
SPEAKER_02Which you would there's a lot of people who have beliefs and they don't get paid for them. They get told shut up most of the time.
SPEAKER_01There's a couple who made a couple of bucks off of telling people.
SPEAKER_02But 33%, right? That's one third of the population. Of the world or just the states of the world. Of the world. Because honestly, you know it's heavier in other countries than it is us. Yeah. So it's 33% of the population making this one of the most widely held spiritual beliefs spanning across religions.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So I would never have guessed that. That was that was news to me when I looked looked that up. So I think what makes Were you surprised by that number?
SPEAKER_01Yes, I really was. You thought it was a lot?
SPEAKER_02I always think we're sort of a niche group.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So I definitely would not have thought one third of the people. I mean, if you think about it, one third is really close to one half.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And if you think about one half, that's really close to one hole. So see, I love masks. Oh yeah. I love math so much. But um, I don't know. I was telling you this the other day when we were standing out yaking in the street, while cars went by hawking us first to get out of the road. But um I think what makes it really hard for me is when you hear about like these reincarnation conventions, right? And they tell everybody, come dressed as you were in your past life, right?
SPEAKER_01That's a thing?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So what I heard.
SPEAKER_01That's a that's a really kind of kick-ass Comic-Con that I would go to.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, a Comic-Con for reincarnation. Yeah. Uh again, very niche.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Am I saying that right? Niche, niche? Yeah, I don't niche. Do you pronounce the E? You don't pronounce the E.
SPEAKER_01What did we learn last time?
SPEAKER_02You know, you know, you take out the word, take out a letter, put it another letter, put another letter, and you know French. Yep, yep. Then you then you speak French, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think it's niche.
SPEAKER_02I think it's niche. Niche. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very niche.
SPEAKER_01But English is my second language.
SPEAKER_02Sign language is my first. Gibberish is my first. You know what sign I use the most?
SPEAKER_01It's one of the five fingers, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_02I'm a very friendly person. But, anyways, I hear about these conventions and I hear about like everybody comes dressed as they were in their past life, and guess guess what?
SPEAKER_01It's mostly Amelia Earhart.
SPEAKER_02It's mostly America Earhart. Or like you've got 15 Napoleons showing up. Sure. Right? Sure. And so you think, well, that can't be. You can't have 15 people be the same person. That's so, but then again, I think you know what? You've got mediums, and I believe there are true mediums. Because if I believe that our spirit endures death, then I have to believe that somebody can speak to them. So I do believe there truly are mediums who can speak. But then you've also got the fakers who are just out there for the buck.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_02So I believe the same with reincarnation. But here's the other side of that coin of everybody thinking or claiming to have been somebody famous, Amelia Earhart or Napoleon, something like that. Of all the child cases I read up on, none of them claimed to be anyone famous. They were all just ordinary people living mostly ordinary lives. I see. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So that kind of helps me reassure that, you know, of and and the child cases, those are the ones I keep looking into. Yeah. Because they're fresh. I I think I don't trust adults, is the problem.
SPEAKER_01Do you think that um when someone says that, hey, I'm like Napoleon Bonaparte reincarnated, do you think that your spirit Do I think my eyeballs roll so far back from my head I can see behind me? Yes. I know that happens for a fact. But do you think that like there is a level of how there are certain levels to it? So like the reincarnation stories that we hear about are just everyday people who have had some sort of traumatic experience in a past life. Um, but like someone like Amelia Earhart, who was put on a pedestal as being, you know, the first woman, full flight, all that stuff. Um, do you think that if and when that person that comes back as a reincarnated human being, they're already famous, or their life trajectory is going to put them on a fame path? So we don't hear about it because they're too busy living their next famous life? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, you say you get to pick your life, and I guess if you lived a really good one, you're like, why should I downgrade?
SPEAKER_01I I mean maybe. It sort of makes sense, but I I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. We're gonna be reaching for straws all night long, so let's go. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, so where was I? Ordinary lives. Okay. There there are like there's so many cases I want to share with you. I was researching so many cases, they were all so delicious, uh-huh. But I can only cover one.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02So that's how many stories you get tonight, so get ready. Just the one? Just the one.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02So, oh, but one more fun fact before I get started, okay? A lot of reincarnation reincarnation cases. Let hold on, let me have another sec. Give me a sec. Boomer drinks.
SPEAKER_01What do you think of this drink?
SPEAKER_02I think I got used to it. So now I can sip it without making a face. When I first had it.
SPEAKER_01You can still make faces. No one can see you. I can only hear boomers.
SPEAKER_02But when I first made it, I swear my sinuses were completely scrubbed clean. It is strong. But boomer makes strong drinks. He does make strong drinks. If another person made this drink, I would say this is a very sugar-rich drink. Yes.
SPEAKER_01It is very sweet. The um the toasted orange peel, we tried it by itself, which was really weird because it had no smell. You would have thought it orange, super citrus forward, none of that. And you taste it, and as good as it is in the drink by itself, I get that it's just a sugary drink. But the sugar almost was artificial flavored to me. I don't I did not look at the ingredients list of it. Um, and then the bourbon that we used, the University of Houston uh great distillery Texas Distillery Company was also very f sweet forward.
SPEAKER_02Excuse me while I stick my fingers in the drink and grab a cherry. Because you said they were alcohol infused, and by now they are super alcohol infused. Sorry, I had to let's get this. Yeah, I think they're alcohol-infused.
SPEAKER_01Don't get me lying.
SPEAKER_02I'm I don't I just say it's already.
SPEAKER_01But they're very good. Yeah. It's good. Yeah, I we could just eat this by itself and then I did pass out because we have a sugar high. Hey, they're gluten-free.
SPEAKER_02But that's what I think. It is a very sweet drink, it is very sugar-intensive.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But it's good.
SPEAKER_01And it's funny because usually he will kind of just throw together ingredients and then just make it work. The toasted orange peel had a here's how much of this you add to this much of this and this much of that. And that's the recipe you went off of. So that's what this is.
SPEAKER_02Really? He followed the recipe.
SPEAKER_01I know.
SPEAKER_02And added a little boomer into it. I'm sure he added boomer into it.
SPEAKER_01I'm sorry he put a span. His drink.
SPEAKER_02He smelled like a boomer drink. Alright, so we were talking about fun facts, right? Yeah, yeah. So a lot of the reincarnations uh cases, not all, but a lot of them come from parts of the world where a belief in reincarnation is common, right?
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay. That would be the Orient specifically. Excuse me, as I talk, I'm scratching the talk. She's really enjoying it. Okay, I think I start to go.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna go, mmm.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, or it's the same as a boomer drink for her. Yeah. Alright, I'm sorry. I'm done playing. Okay, so that would be the Orient, but here's what I did not know. We all know, like in India and places like that, um, this is so stereotypical. But in places like that, that they do have a higher percentage of people who believe in reincarnation than, say, the West, right? But what I did not know is that in some of these cultures, if your child remembers a past life, it's actually considered a bad omen. Uh-oh. I know, right? It's believed to mean that this lifetime will be a short one for that child. Oh, damn, that sucks. So as a parent, you would not encourage them to have those memories.
SPEAKER_01Um in fact, according to it goes without saying that they don't, or that they do. They just don't empower the child to.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. So I I mentioned uh so the prominent reincarnation researcher, and that's a mouthful to say, prominent reincarnation researcher, uh, Ian Stevenson, um, some parents were desperate, according to him, some parents were desperate enough that they would use cruel methods to sort of suppress those memories from a child. Well, get the fuck out of here. That's not that's not cool. You're like, if my child remembers shit, they're gonna die soon. I don't that's that's just their belief. So but honestly, that's kind of what makes me believe them a little bit more, right? Um admittedly, sometimes the family gets attention from the child's memories, but it's more like a sensationalized nuisance than it is, say, something lavish. Um and often it's actually the neighbors, not the parents, who report um any information to the public.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_02So that's also reassuring.
SPEAKER_01Because I think the parents don't want to poke that bear. They do not. They're like this. They don't want to know their child's.
SPEAKER_02They're like, this is not the Jedi you've been looking for.
SPEAKER_01Summit in black shit. They're gonna get zapped and all memories erased.
SPEAKER_02Right? So Stevenson said parents usually ignored their child's claims for years, all the while the child kept begging them to go to another village to find their former family. Sure, yeah. Which is actually what happened in the story I'm gonna share. Oh, okay. Yay, yay. So, okay, my favorite story. You ready?
SPEAKER_01Out of all of them that you've picked, this is the one.
SPEAKER_02This is the one I picked.
SPEAKER_01So why did you pick this one out of all the ones that you read?
SPEAKER_02This child's got attitude. I mean, you know, if he were my kid, I would have throttled him. But if he's somebody else's kid.
SPEAKER_01I don't think throttled's the right word, Annie.
SPEAKER_02Uh, well, I would have taken him by the throat, I would have applied pressure around the Adam's apple, and I would have squeezed hard.
SPEAKER_01Why?
SPEAKER_02I would have killed this kid.
SPEAKER_01Oh, got it. Okay. Throttled is the right word then.
SPEAKER_02Yes. But if he's somebody else's kid, I'm just laughing my ass off. He's great.
SPEAKER_01He was really I was concerned that we weren't gonna use the word throttle the right way, and nope, we you've absolutely nailed it.
SPEAKER_02Yay, yay, and he's got a vocabulary. So, this kid's name was Toran Singh. But his parents called him T2.
SPEAKER_01T2? T2. That's a that's an awesome freaking name.
SPEAKER_02T2, yes. I sometimes they accidentally say Toto, but it's T2. T2 T2.
SPEAKER_01Wait, what was his first name? Torin. Torin. Torin Sing. Mm-hmm. But T2. His parents call him T2. Who else is a T1?
SPEAKER_02Uh, there wasn't one.
SPEAKER_01Is that a happening?
SPEAKER_02He was instantly upgraded.
SPEAKER_01To T2? Mm-hmm. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Instant upgrade. Okay. So he was born just like that. Yeah, right. His last life, it's the last life he was not T21. I can tell you that right now. Just get that off the table. Just shove it off. Okay, so he was born December 12th, 1983. So he's actually still alive. And he's younger than me. He's younger than me. I'm not saying how old I am, but he's younger than me. Well he's younger than me if makes you feel any better. Okay, good. So I said December 12th. Uh-huh. That was his birthday. But anybody who googles this will find that there are several dates listed. Oh. So you are like, well, what the fuck is up with that? Uh-huh. Right? Um, you're just making up names or numbers to make it match?
SPEAKER_01His name's T2, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Not T1. Not T1. But this is because he was born in a military hospital under his uncle's policy.
SPEAKER_00Oh.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. You want the story behind that, right? Yes. Okay. So his mother's pregnant. She's nine months along. She has sudden complications, and they need good medical care. Okay. Because complications, right? You just go to the midwife. The only place to get that is from the military hospital. Where they're at.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_02Where they're located. Where they're located. The only place to get that is the military hospital. The problem is the military hospital only takes those who have served.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So they kind of fudge some facts to get into the hospital. I see. So they use their uncle's name. Uncle's name as mother. Okay. So they don't actually have accurate birth dates. Oh man. Right? So that's why you might find different dates listed.
SPEAKER_01Are the dates like close in proximity or are they just like one is almost a year away. Okay.
SPEAKER_02So they're they're and the reason why is because researchers are trying to go through these records and say what children were born during these dates, and these are the dates that they found.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So they're just they're not able to find his birth date. They're able to find multiple dates that might have been that his birthday.
SPEAKER_01Have they just thought to ask the parents?
SPEAKER_02Oh, the parents know.
SPEAKER_01They just won't know.
SPEAKER_02So again, no, they again, that is why his birthday is December 12th, 1983.
SPEAKER_01And that's confirmed by the parents. Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_01But that's But the hospital records say something different.
SPEAKER_02The hospital records say it could be any of three dates.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01Well.
SPEAKER_02There you go. Well, alright. Now the reason I love the story, as you ask, is because this kid's attitude. Okay. Okay. From day one, this child knew he was better for better things. He was made for better things.
SPEAKER_01See, and that goes back to the whole idea of like when you decide to come back into this life, what changes do you need to make to make your life potentially better so you don't get it?
SPEAKER_02Here's the thing. If you think you've got growth to do, but you remember your past life, are you really growing? I would I I think so. He is remembering, okay, he okay, so he knows he's made for better things, and he's absolutely he has absolutely no patience for anything less. Okay. But he was born into less.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So he's gonna make his life better.
SPEAKER_02I'm here for that. Oh yeah, it takes it's a long road, but you're right. He actually does make it better. Sure. But that's the end of the story. Don't rush there.
SPEAKER_01Well, okay. Don't you think though, reincarnation be damned, that we should all try to strive to make our lives better at the end of the day? As humans?
SPEAKER_02Well, reincarnation be damned? Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, so I don't think his his life's journey is not so far off, whether he is reincarnated from whatever.
SPEAKER_02All I'm saying is he was being very stubborn about it. That's my whole thing.
SPEAKER_01I mean he's being very stubborn about it. He's not a Taurus, because he's born in December, so I would believe you. He was born in May, he may be. What was he born as before? Oh, that's fair.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Do they have that birthday from the person that he thinks he is?
SPEAKER_02No, we have his death date. So, no, not the same thing. Okay. Alright, so at 18 months old, when most children have a vocabulary of less than, say, 50 words, okay. And most of their words are gibberish. That's something only a mother would recognize, like saying gaga for water. This kid.
SPEAKER_01Or maybe they like Lady Gaga.
SPEAKER_02Maybe they do. Maybe they do. But the point is, only a mother at at 18 months, a child is saying uh they have words for things. They're very consistent about these words, but these words don't actually sound like English words. But the mother recognizes them. The father, also. I'm not discrediting father's recognition. But they recognize this only because the child is, you know, attributing these words, these made-up words for certain things. Okay?
SPEAKER_01You should have met me when I was a child.
SPEAKER_02What words did you come up with?
SPEAKER_01I I know I actually was having full-blown sentences with people. They called me little midget.
SPEAKER_02Alright, but you see that's special.
SPEAKER_01And everybody was about seven years or older than me, people would come home and I'd be like, Hi, how was your day at work? Like I would have full-blown conversations with them at I think two? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So Stephen was pretty mature, my youngest son, he was pretty mature at two years of age. He also, and I think maybe there is something about the youngest child, you stop talking, baby talk to them.
SPEAKER_01Well, because you hear all the adults talking. And if you've got I I feel like if you've got any sort of thing.
SPEAKER_02But even the first child would have heard that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, maybe, but you've got more people in the house at that point.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Who are having a having conversations with each other. And it's not just mom, dad, and baby trying to get the person's attention by just saying words, but when you're seeing people have full-blown conversations, I don't know. I just know that when I was a little bitty, we'd go to places and they were like, How old is your child? Because she is a little midget having full-blown conversations with people. Right. And now look at me. I don't even know the word attention.
SPEAKER_02I know. We've we've changed so much. It is funny. Because as we get older, we're supposed to be more wise. And I feel like we're actually like I used to have a huge vocabulary. And now I'm like, gaga. You mean gaga. I need more gaggers. Gaga right in front of you. So we're talking about this child, like, he's not saying baby words like most people, right? Back to little Tito. He told his mother, and okay, let me see if I can get this tone right, okay? Because we're we're describing an 18-year-old child.
SPEAKER_0118-month-old.
SPEAKER_02Eight, yeah. Telling his mother, tell my grandfather to look after my children and my wife. I am having my meals here, and I'm worried about them. See, I don't think I got the haughtiness in there. So the mother, in shock, I'm sure, she pressed him on it.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02And he told her he was from Agra, and he didn't know how he ended up in Bod. Okay. Okay, so Bod, by the way, is a small village about eight miles from Agra.
SPEAKER_01Within a 15-mile radius.
SPEAKER_02Thank you.
SPEAKER_01Yes, you're you are there. The Google Maps.
SPEAKER_02His parents thought this whole thing was absurd, so they did what parents do when they hear ridiculous statements.
SPEAKER_01They do a research and see it.
SPEAKER_02They ignored it.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so again, Dr. Stevenson was right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like we're like, so far, we are like right there matching things up. By the T time T2 was three, he was telling his parents that his wife's name was Uma.
SPEAKER_01He has a whole story.
SPEAKER_02He has a whole story. Wow, okay. Yes, his wife's name is Uma. He named his past life parents. And I'm gonna try to say these. It was Raj Khmeri and Chanta Baritiya. Okay. He said his own name was Suresh Burma. Right? The kid has details.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he knows.
SPEAKER_02Yes, his children were named Mono and Sono. Wow. Right? I know. And he had been shot dead on August 28th, just months before Tito was born.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So that means that so far he's hit two of the three commonalities of reincarnation.
SPEAKER_01And the parents never ever thought, well, I'm sure you'll probably get into it, but I would hope the parents would be the slightest bit interested to find out how dead on this kid is. Well, right now they're just thinking he's talking gibberish. Because I mean this is he's three at this point when he is saying you're my wife, my kids, and where I was shot, and they're all like, stop making up imaginary friends. I who could you imagine though, if like you were as a child being like, I'm gonna go play outside, bang bang, you're dead, and I just that seems I mean me maybe as a child, as my morbid self probably would have done something like that. But I mean I made the kids, I think I told you this was the last time that I made the kids during recess when I was in elementary school, like reenact Adam's family scene to scene. Why are you leaving laughs? I'm just imagining how fun that was. Yeah, I took the Spanish moss off the tree and made myself grandma and put it in my hair and yeah, it was a weird kid. Good times. Yeah, good times.
SPEAKER_02And to think I was just playing spider web games.
SPEAKER_01That was no wonder I was made fun of relentlessly as a child.
SPEAKER_02Well so we were talking about like he's hit the two of the commonalities. Um so I'm gonna break the suspense here. Alright. Okay. So Ceres Burma had in fact been shot dead on August 28th, 1983, and the bull had entered his right temple and exited just behind his left ear.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so this comes in later. So back to little T2, who aged four years old, had had enough of this new life he'd been handed. Mm-hmm. Okay. He told his mother to please stop going out in those clothes. He said, I feel embarrassed by them. Oh my god. Yep. He said, My wife Uma had beautiful saris. He told his wife their house he told his mother his house was dirty. Oh my god, no wonder you'd want to thwaddle the kid. Right.
SPEAKER_00I know he's mine. Somebody else's, I'm just laughing my ass off.
SPEAKER_02He said he was not gonna stay, that his own house had been very big.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02He complained that they traveled on foot or by bus when he owned a car. He wasn't shy about it. His current father, who was a professor, by the way, did not make enough money.
unknownOh my god.
SPEAKER_02Not like Sharesh had.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, this kid.
SPEAKER_02Then one day, when they were traveling to a wedding in Agra, Tidou became absolutely beside himself and he was screaming, I have a shop in Agra! I have a shop in the Sadar Bazaar!
SPEAKER_01Just good reading. Yes.
SPEAKER_02He's very clear about all of the things he said. Yes. They were not like, I don't know how they ever ignored him. I was like, ooh. Whenever his father had gone to Agra without him, Tito would fall apart. He demanded to be taken along and he claimed that he owned a radio station and he was a big time smuggler. Oh my god. I know it gets better, right? Why would you not want to look into this? Right? Well, by now he had already identified seven people from his other life. He named his wife, his past life parents, his children, and two of his three brothers. Wow. Right? And he was consistent. This life, he kept saying, it felt like a dream. His real life was an agra. His mother, Shanti, said Tito would roll his clothing into a bundle and threaten to run away to his real home. She also said, and I'm gonna read a direct quote here, okay? She said, It's been like this since he was three. He used to throw plates, sulk a lot, tell me I was wearing torn saris, and kept talking about being some stress varma. Eventually, Tito wore them all down enough, as you said.
SPEAKER_01Oh good.
SPEAKER_02He wore them all down enough that his father sent Tito's 17 year old brother Ashuk to Agra to investigate.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So of course the logic was that if they could prove Tito was wrong, he'd give up on the silliness. Right, right. Right?
SPEAKER_01Or they could just blow it off and be like, making it up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Right. Like, you you dumb, stop talking.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But Asuk found the radio shop exactly where Tito said it would be.
SPEAKER_01Of course.
SPEAKER_02Of course. It was about two and a half miles from the Taj Maha, which, if you're in India, is four point four kilometers.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Now, when I say radio shop, I want to pause there because I don't think of a huge thriving business when I think of radios. Right? Do you? Uh. It's not enough to make the kind of money that he says that T2 claims that Sharash had made, right? Depends on the kind of radio though, right? We're talking about Walkmans and shit.
SPEAKER_01Like a radio chef. He's not like a radio DJ. Like he's not, I see. Right. Uh, I would think. In India?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think it'd be a little bit bigger of a thing. So you're right, because India had not yet liberalized its economy. So getting your hands on a Walkman was like getting your hands on gold.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Sharash's clo shop was also close enough to the Taj Mahal that it got serious traffic. Also, he worked the black market. So what was he selling in the black market? Things that you couldn't legally get into the country. So, like radio parts? No, more than that.
SPEAKER_01Gold, silver. It's not me peeing, by the way. That is more drink being poor. Delicious. I don't know what is dripping. Is this cracked?
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_02No way. I think it's just sweating. It's sweating. Like you can see it here. There's sweat. Okay. Did you let yours get all the way to the bottom first?
SPEAKER_01Yes. Oh, girl. I did not. Because I don't want to interrupt you, keep interrupting you on your story, even though it makes it sound like I'm pee-peeing. Just not pee-pee-in. Okay. Well, okay, so what we have covered here.
SPEAKER_02So black market, he sells market, yeah. He sells some stuff. So he's a businessman, does the radio shop and he uh does the black market. He's a smuggler and is apparently very good at both. So yes, he does make some money. How did they say how old the gentleman was when he was shot and killed? I think if I remember correctly, I didn't write in my notes, but I think he was 28 years old. Oh, he's young. He was not old. Like super young. He was maybe it was 33, but it was definitely not more than it was not more than 33. Because I'm thinking he's probably It's between 28 and 33 years old. Well, until he was like 60s. No, no, he was not. Damn. Yep. He had had two young children and then he died.
unknownGod damn.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Wow. Alright, so Asuk, the older 17-year-old brother, he walks into the shop, and since it's named Sharesh Radio, he feels confident in asking for Sharesh. Right?
SPEAKER_00Oh shit. Yep. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Well the woman behind the counter tells him Sharesh died several years ago. Oh hello. And she says is his wife. Uh-oh. Uma.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Yep. Nailed it.
SPEAKER_02So Ashuk is taken back. He explains why he's there. Okay. The little brother's been driving them all crazy.
SPEAKER_01Does he have T2 with him? No, he does not. So this is an expedition met.
SPEAKER_02He it's expedition just to find out like the brother's crazy. Let's let's like prove him wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's prove him wrong. That's the whole goal there. Okay, so he tells him the brother's been driving crazy with stories about a life in Agra as Sharesh Verma.
SPEAKER_01Crazy.
SPEAKER_02Uma's very unsettled.
unknownSure.
SPEAKER_01Obviously. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yes. But that night she still goes and she talks to Shares' family. She talks to his parents, who then talk to his little his brothers. Um, and they all decide, of course, this is something they've got to see. Oh. Now I want you to keep in mind something here. This is not just T2's family telling the story. Okay, so there are articles and documentaries, and I mean documentaries, film documentaries, where both of his new family and his past life family are interviewed and they all agree on the events that I'm sharing.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so this is again, it's not Titu looking for fame and yeah, accolades here. So the next morning, Uma and Ceresa's parents and all three of his brothers drive out to the village of Bod.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Titu's father, and this I love the visual here. Titu's father was at the water pump washing up.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02I mean, a very rural area here. He might have been a professor, but they still lived on a farm and they did not have like direct plumbing. So his father's washing up.
SPEAKER_01No wonder this kid was so upset too.
SPEAKER_02He was coming from having to go by foot, having to go by bus to places. I mean, like how primitive, right?
SPEAKER_01For him, sure.
SPEAKER_02So he's washing up uh at the pump when Tito comes flying towards him screaming, My other family's here! Thanks for ditching us.
SPEAKER_01Did he know that they were coming? No, he just saw them.
SPEAKER_02He saw them arrive and immediately clocked it and clocked it, yes. So when they got out of the car, Titu ran to Sharesh's parents and he hugged them immediately. Then he turned, he looked at the car, and he saw that it was a Marathi.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02And he said, Why didn't you bring my fiat car? Oh my god, this kid said, Why didn't you bring my fiat car, you failing human beings? Sharash's father, Baratya, was stunned. Like, how did this child know that Sharash even had a fiat car? Yeah. They had sold it after he died.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that's funny. Well, okay, there's one reason not to bring it.
SPEAKER_02Now everybody was settled. Everybody got settled in, everybody's got their seats. T Doo asked Uma to sit beside him. How sweet is that, right?
SPEAKER_01This kid's four at this point.
SPEAKER_02He's four years old, but he still wants his wife to come sit beside him. That is sweet, I think. He asked her if she recognized him. Before she said no. Yeah. Like you're a little four-year-old. I have never met you before. Feel like I'm screaming at the mic. No! But then he asked about his children.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Were they not in tow? Mono and Sona were not there. It was three brothers who arrived.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So Uma was not convinced still, though. So she tested him and she asked, where had they gone together the day before he died? That's a good question. Like, who's gonna be able to make that shit up?
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02So he described oh yeah. So he said they'd gone to Dauphur and they had she she had eaten jalabi sitting on the bonnet of his car.
SPEAKER_01What and is that true?
SPEAKER_02Yes.
unknownDamn.
SPEAKER_02Yes, he nailed it. That was their date.
SPEAKER_01How can you discount this?
SPEAKER_02They had gone to a fair. It was a fair, and they'd gone to Daufer at a fair and she had eaten jalobi, which is some kind of sweet treat, sitting on the bonnet of his car. Wow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, at that point I would hope she'd be like, okay, maybe this is.
SPEAKER_02She wouldn't, yet she wouldn't. He described the three dup three-story home in perfect detail. TVs, the coolers. Yeah. Because remember, his his his family lives real well. They don't have coolers. No. Everything. He actually likes to rest, right down to the hot temper and the need to dominate everybody in the room.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_02And then at four years old, actually, I don't even want to put this part because I've got questions about this. He put he he he got into their car, okay? This Mirabi, right? This not fiat. Right. Okay. He got into this car, he played with the tape deck, he put it in gear, and with his past life brother, he drove it around a little. Oh. The problem I'm having is, of course. How does he reach the pedals? How does he reach the pedals? But all the documentaries I watched and all the document all the articles I read, not one of them would explain how you reach the pedals. I'm like, do I even want to mention this? I don't know how to answer that question. Sticks?
unknownPulls?
SPEAKER_02Oh they didn't mention any sticks. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. But I do know that he's never been in anything other than a bus or walking on foot.
SPEAKER_01So how do you know how even to put a car in driving? Exactly.
SPEAKER_02How do you know how to even put it in gear?
SPEAKER_01Where's the gas? Where's the brake?
SPEAKER_02So to them that was something. They were impressed. This four-year-old who's never done anything. And right now.
SPEAKER_01So he's born in 83. We're looking at 87. Mm-hmm. And I assume that they don't have to. How about how you can do math like that? I can't. Well, I had to use my fingers. Um I I wonder if they're if he's not from a well-off family, so there's probably like no TVs where he can you know, Lachky kid himself, like me and the kid of the 80s as well.
SPEAKER_02Where you're gonna love a comment he makes later. Oh god. No TVs. Oh yeah. They did not have TVs, no. Oh. Okay. Okay. So they were impressed, but after their visit to see him, they decided to invite him to Agra to visit them.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Which is smart. Yeah, they were gonna secretly test him. So right from the start, they tried to trick him and they took him to another radio shop. It was Sharesh's brothers because I guess everybody in the family has a radio shop. Yeah. I don't know. Tito did not even have to enter the store before he said, Nope, this is not it. Nope, take me to my shop.
SPEAKER_01Not close to Taj Mahal at all.
SPEAKER_02Nope. So they take him to the right shop and he walks in and without thinking he slaps the stool as he passes it. Uma said Sharesh used to do that every single time he came, whether he was entering or leaving, he would slap that stool. It was like an automatic reflex.
SPEAKER_01That's I'm gonna use the word again. Bananas. Bananas. Yeah. How do you fake that shit? I I mean social media and the internet was not a thing.
SPEAKER_02No, it's not. So how do you teach your kid how to become another human being?
unknownYeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01That's okay.
SPEAKER_02Here's the part I told you you're gonna love, okay? At some point in his visit, he told his past life father, I'm just passing through with these people who do not own a TV, a car, or a video.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, I love this kid.
SPEAKER_02I cannot stress, I know, I know how much I love him.
SPEAKER_01He's just adorable. I would kill him. Hey, so but you said this guy is still alive, right? So going back to the very beginning of this whole story where people did not want to talk about their past lives and reincarnation before they were going to die at an early age. Right. The kid's now 43 or 48.
SPEAKER_02Did not die at an early.
SPEAKER_01We'll be 44, 44 this year. I'm so glad you can do that. I think. Oh I don't know. I just had a birthday so. Pull the fingers out. And I got the toes. I'm gonna have to use your fingers to it to make this work. Um, so at some point I would think that that whole idea of hey, you're gonna die at an early age kind of needs to just kind of take a back burner. I I don't know, like I I what is the word where people have well you don't walk under a ladder or you don't open an umbrella, superstitions, right? So, you know, I work in a very dominated field where superstitions are a thing. Um you don't walk under ladders, you don't say the name of the Scottish play in the space, because all the bad things happen, but also I own like two black cats. I break mirrors. I oh I break mirrors or glass for a living. So I feel like the superstitions is just what do they always say like superstitions are things that you've done is just um family bullies from the past or bullying you to do things their way from the past? Something along the lines of like I think I follow. Superstitions are basically just the bullies, family bullies who make you do these things because so do other families still hold these superstitions?
SPEAKER_02I'm sure they do. Even though Sharash or Tidu or Turan is his the name he goes by now, um, even though they have proven him wrong in this one instance. Because I'm sure they'll say, Well, yeah, but all the other children died early.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but you just can't say you're a special case. That's not fair to the rest of the kids.
SPEAKER_02Everybody thinks they're a special case.
SPEAKER_01I know I have a special case.
SPEAKER_02I know. Thank you. Cheers to that too. Special case. Alright, so where are we talking about? We were talking about that comment he made about how these people who don't have a TV car or video.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02Well, he's in the radio shop still, okay? So Uma points to a photo on the wall and she says, Do you recognize this person? He says, Yeah, that's me. Okay. Okay. She says, Well, when has this picture been put up? And he says, Well, it wasn't there when I was alive. Attitude. Then he points to a section of the store and he says, You change things around. This whole section is different. And then he points out the exact drawer where Uma keeps her cash.
SPEAKER_01Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. He's casing the joint.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Ema, yes. So Uma's asking him questions and he knows the answers to all the private details, including their bank account numbers. Oh, get out of here! There's no way the parents can feed that information.
SPEAKER_01Get out of here with that.
SPEAKER_02See, that's the thing, is that's my thought. Every time I think about reincarnation, they're telling these stories. I'm all like, yeah, how much of that do your parents feed you in your sleep, you know? How could they have told him the bank account numbers?
SPEAKER_01But even still the slapping of the stool, right? How would they have known that?
SPEAKER_02That's a very personal instinctive thing that a person doesn't.
SPEAKER_01Before the guy dies, yeah. Like, how would they know? No.
SPEAKER_02They have no clue who this family is. No. All right. So he's definitely wowing them over, but they decide they need one more test. Why, though?
unknownGod.
SPEAKER_02Well, here's what happened. They invited 20 kids over to their house. And in those 20 kids, they mixed in Monu and Sonu.
SPEAKER_01Okay. His his children that he he claimed were his. How old are these kids? How how old are these other kids at this point?
SPEAKER_02Older than T2.
SPEAKER_01Because T2's four.
SPEAKER_02Yes. And he was born after they had already been about three or four years old themselves.
SPEAKER_01Six, seven, something like that.
SPEAKER_02No, more than that. So if he is four, seven, maybe seven and eight. Okay. I'm guessing. Okay. About seven and eight. Yeah. Okay. Okay, we're playing malarkey. And we're playing it well. So uh Uma says, if you are really seressed, you should know your own children, right? So Titu looks around the room and he raises an eyebrow in that very haughty way that he has. Okay. And he says, Mono, why didn't you say Namaste to me? Then he takes both of these sons, who, by the way, we discussed, are older than him. Yeah. And he takes them both by the hand and he pulls them out from the crowd. Wow. He says, These are my sons.
SPEAKER_01I just stop testing this kid at this point.
SPEAKER_02Well, at that point they did. Titu, who is now an adult and he goes by Turan, he said, This is when Uma accepted that he really was Sarash. She was like, okay, there's nothing more you can do to prove yourself.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, jump through these fiery hoops, my friend. Tell me my bank account numbers. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01I would have been sold at how do you drive a car? But I You're easy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. I would have still wanted more. But bank account numbers, you had me at bank account numbers. So Uma, who's wealthy, and she truly believed that this really was her husband. At this point, she's 100% won over. Okay. She wants to give them all sorts of material things like gifts and an education. Okay. And you're thinking, okay, now we know the reason why they did this, right? Because there's something to be had from it.
SPEAKER_01But the parents weren't on board with it. They just wanted to shut the kid up.
SPEAKER_02Actually, you're right. The parents actually, the father said no. Thank you. We don't want any of these things. In fact, we're going to limit how much conversation you have with our son.
SPEAKER_01Oh, see, that's not fair.
SPEAKER_02No. But they they every few months they would let him hang out with them. So yeah, they they said no. I don't want to, I don't want to bother you guys. We don't even need to talk that much. He you can see him every once in a while, but we're not gonna make this a thing. Okay?
SPEAKER_01Okay. So at this point This was just the dad that was saying this, right? So does the mom even have a say? Mom's not even mentioned here.
SPEAKER_02Mom's last comment is how s how very sore she was. They was commenting on her torn sorries.
SPEAKER_01Oh, she's still on that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she's still on that. Oh man.
SPEAKER_01That's gotta hurt.
SPEAKER_02Well, that's it. That's insulting. Like somebody's saying you don't dress well enough? Come on. So everybody believes him. Uma believes him. Uh Sirache's parents believe him. Titu's own family believes him. Well, almost everyone.
SPEAKER_01Uh-oh.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Siriash's younger brother Mahish, he still isn't convinced. He says, and I'm quoting, everybody knew my brother in Agra and how he died. How do we know this boy hasn't been taught to say all of this?
SPEAKER_01It's a whole different town.
SPEAKER_02Eh, not only that, but how would he have known where Uma hid the cash?
SPEAKER_01Right. Bank account number.
SPEAKER_02On the bonnet's car.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01So This isn't social media times. This is not someone updating their even if it was.
SPEAKER_02That's really weird information. Nobody posts a social media times. That's a good point. Bank account times.
SPEAKER_01For us to spoon feed information to you because they seem like they're doing well.
SPEAKER_02Because they went ahead and told us where they hide their cash.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So you remember how I said 35% of children who remember past lives have markings that represent their wounds from the past life? Tito was born with the circular mark birthmark on his right temple.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02It was a small indentation, just like yours. It resembles a bullet entry wound, and another one right behind his left ear where Ceresa's bullet exited his head.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01Did they say they say why he was killed? Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I'm going to stop jumping ahead. I'm just so excited about the story.
SPEAKER_02Well, so now how how many commonales has he matched?
SPEAKER_01So we've got the radius of being born within the 15 miles. We've got the birthmarks.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. And how soon he came after?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was three months, four months. Yep. Or there's about.
SPEAKER_02We've matched all three of those.
SPEAKER_01Oh, those are just the three.
SPEAKER_02Those were the three. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yep. That's right. So, weird note. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Thresh's murderers were his business partners as the smuggler.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_02I kind of figured it had something to do with the smuggling. It had to do with smuggling, yep. You know what's weirder? He met them as Tito. What? They had so remember I told you about the little boy who had pointed out his murderer, and that's why he'd come back so he could point out his murderer and say, this is the guy. This is who the guy did.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Tito didn't have to do that. His his murders had been arrested immediately.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So he did not have to come back. Oh God, did he know that? I don't know. Uh-huh. But he did not have to come back. They were already arrested. They served a pathetic eight years. But who knows, maybe eight years was the maximum time for India. Oh my goodness. In the 80s. I don't know. It doesn't seem enough time to take somebody else's life, but nowadays nowadays it does not. But they served their whole eight years. They were his smuggling partners. Um, but when he Tito was eight years old, or when he was in his home, he was eight or nine years old, okay. The men arrived in a Jeep, and supposedly they got out of the Jeep and they told they they said they had heard about Titu and they wanted to see the person who claimed he was Suresh. Okay.
unknownOh my god.
SPEAKER_01Why?
SPEAKER_02From my understanding in the interview with Desi Studios, and he said he did not disclose who they were, but Tito knew immediately who these people were. He was scared and he ran away from them, and he found his older brother and he said, They are here. And his brother said, Who? And he said, The people who killed me in my other life. So, okay, now this part's kind of fuzzy because he went over it really fast, but by the time he and his brother had gotten back to where the men were, they were already gone. But he had seen them. He had seen the people who shot him as an eight-year or nine-year-old child.
SPEAKER_01God damn.
SPEAKER_02Can you imagine that?
SPEAKER_01No. So some people Also, I don't know why someone would want to go back and just see the person they've killed, who have they spent time in prison for.
SPEAKER_02I think they didn't believe it and they just wanted to see it. That might be why they left so soon, too. They're like, you're not here, it's all bullshit anyways.
SPEAKER_01Did but if it's all bullshit, then why s not stay and talk to the family? Not necessarily to the boy. Right. Jesus, not necessarily to the child, but or go talk to the guy's family that you killed. If you're so fucking interested. I don't know. To me, it's one of those things like once you get tried for something and you have to spend time in prison for the things that you've done, just let it go.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Let sleeping dogs lie. At the end of the day, you can't change anything. What's done is done. You've got to serve your time for doing what you've done. Don't bring don't bring your family back into it.
SPEAKER_02And yet they were curious.
SPEAKER_01They sh okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Then write letters.
SPEAKER_02Write letters? I don't know. Yep. So yeah, they were okay. Here's another fun fact. Okay. I'm looking here, it says, uh, but guess what their names were? Balbaro Singh and Titu. What? Write it. Oh my god. So what on the names of his murderers when he was born? But that his parents named him. I know. I I can't explain the shit. I'm just reading what I what I found.
SPEAKER_01What in the fuck is happening?
SPEAKER_02His murderers' names were Bawar, Singh, and Titu. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01That's some like Ouija board shit. Right? Where it's like, please tell me the name of my child when it's not born, and it's spelled get out of here. It's just again God damn.
SPEAKER_02It's what research does to you.
SPEAKER_01Wow. How shock how floored were you when you read this?
SPEAKER_02I was like, no. There's no way. Somebody's making this shit up. Yeah, there's no way. But here we are.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Here we are.
SPEAKER_01Jeez.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So T2, as you know, was a smuggler. And he was arrogant. And he was dominating. It sounds just like this kid. Yes, exactly. To a T. To a T. Two. But I want you to know to a T, two, two. Not T1, but T2.
SPEAKER_01Thanks, Booba, for the beer.
SPEAKER_02So good. So good. I hope you guys make this drink and try it yourselves. I really do. So the good news is that T2 looked at the life that Suresh had and he realized that maybe the smuggling, the temper, maybe it was all bad karma.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, maybe not worth for a hit for it.
SPEAKER_02Yes. So he decided he was gonna live a different life. Okay. So you're right. When he looked in and looking at a family life that he could become, he was looking at how he could grow. And he did. As a human being, he grew. He studied yoga. He earned a PhD in neuropathy. In 2012, he worked as an assistant and pro assistant professor at a university.
SPEAKER_01Okay, great.
SPEAKER_02There we go. I said all the words. There you go. He was teaching neuropathy and yoga therapy, and he chose a life of service. So he is now Dr. Titu Turan Singh.
SPEAKER_01Wow, good for him.
SPEAKER_02And you know what? Remember how I said all those children they always forget their lives within a certain period of time? He actually didn't. He held on to it. He still does.
SPEAKER_01Oh, he still remembers. Well, because he remembered it so far and he was alive, you know. Because he met the people. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02He met the people and he kept a relationship with them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02They're keeping that memory alive. The last interview I read of him, he had spoken to them eight years before previous.
SPEAKER_01Damn.
SPEAKER_02So, and that was him at 40 some years old.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01That's that's crazy.
SPEAKER_02So, yeah, I guess it's harder to forget when you stay active in that life.
SPEAKER_01But so I guess with the superstition of like you don't want to bring up this past life regression stuff because you're going to potentially die at an early age. And he's obviously changed his life path to a life of service. Uh, maybe there is something to it. Of growth. Of yeah, like letting the kids talk it out and figure out that, hey, that they're not just making this up. And you can break the spell. You can break the trajectory of these kids potentially dying at an early age. Well, that's a great that's a great story. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02I loved it. I love the attitude this kid had. That was my favorite part, really.
SPEAKER_01I was like, this is the kid I gotta talk about. The fact that he didn't get throttled by his parents is amazing because it sounds like you would have just ended his life immediately.
SPEAKER_02You're talking about my sorries not being good enough for you? I'm sorry?
unknownReally?
SPEAKER_01Alright, well, thanks for listening to another long episode of Mixed Spirits. Um, next time, I'm sure Boomer is gonna have a very delicious cocktail. We even got a little bit left with this. So, uh, when in doubt, drink responsibly, haunt existentially.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay. That's one. So we're gonna we're so with with all of us saying goodbye and everything, uh I'm gonna post, I think, the recipe on social media.
SPEAKER_02I dare you.
SPEAKER_01Um you don't necessarily have to use the exact same ingredients that we've used. Did you see the splashback on it? It's gotta be the orange. It's gotta be. Um so uh we'll post it um for your good old detective old fashioned. Thanks for listening to our story. Next uh next week we'll have some different things to say while Annie grabs some Luxardo cherries. If you guys have not tried Luxardo cherries, it is worth the cost. And it'll change your life as a maraschino cherry and not your you can lick the spoon. It's fine.
SPEAKER_02Thank you for giving me permission. I was really worried.
SPEAKER_01Um but yeah, uh they changed our lives, changed my life during during the pandemic when I wasn't working, and yeah, it's just a solution. Maybe we should go into the details of maraschino cherry family in in Italy. So, with that being said, I'm going to use the tagline drink responsibly and haunt existentially. Bye. Bye.