Mixed Spirits
Welcome to Mixed Spirits, the podcast where high-proof cocktails meet the low-down details of the strange stories we are fascinated by.
Every week, neighbors Stephanie and Annie mix up a drink and dive headfirst into the weird, strange, and spooky world we live in. Whether it’s a spine-chilling true crime case, a deeply unsettling ghost story, or a legendary cryptid sighting, we’ve got a story to tell and a drink to go with it. Every episode kicks off with a unique, curated cocktail designed to fuel our descent into the strange and horrifying.
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Mixed Spirits
03- Harbingers & Haunted Tracks
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In this episode of Mixed Spirits, we sip on the explosive TNT—a bold blend of Cognac, Cointreau, lemon, and a dash of absinthe—while diving into two haunting tales of high strangeness and local legend. First, Stephanie takes us back to late-1960s West Virginia to trace the origin of the Mothman, from eerie sightings around Point Pleasant's abandoned "TNT Area" to the tragedy of the Silver Bridge collapse. Then, Annie brings us back home to Texas to explore the famous San Antonio Ghost Tracks, unpacking the heartbreaking lore, the mystery of cars being pushed up the incline, and the fine line between classic urban legend and reality. Grab a drink and join us for spooky history, cocktail lore, and a fresh round of paranormal investigation!
Okay, it's okay. Alright, so what's your story gonna be today? Uh are we starting?
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Okay, great. Hi Annie. Hi. How's it going? It's like I haven't seen you in five minutes. Five minutes. I know it's been a long time. Um so hi everybody. I'm gonna start this off by saying welcome to episode three, I think, of Mixed Spirits. I'm Stephanie. I'm Annie. And uh we are two neighbors that like to tell weird and store weird and fascinating stories to each other about life. And so we just thought we'd bring you in on it. Yeah. Um, so today, with our cocktail made by Boomer, if y'all have listened to the past episodes, which I know y'all have, um, Boomer has taken my story, which is a cryptid today. It's about the Mothman, and he has made a recipe, another prohibition drink called a TNT.
SPEAKER_00Ooh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Sounds explosive. Um, and that's exactly why uh he did this, because there is a part of the story that I'm telling where um there's an area of West Virginia that they think blows. This is the reason.
SPEAKER_01West Virginia just blows it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, off the map. Bye. Um, so I have received uh what this is all about and where it's from. So I'm gonna read this. I apologize if I misspeak because I uh the boomer likes to use big words. Oh which makes me smarter at the end of the day. So uh he goes on to say a couple of recipes claimed to be TNTs. Today, if you asked for a TNT at a bar, you would most likely get a tequila and tonic. Just your classic anti-malarial with tequila instead of gin. And he knows me and tequila are not friends. So we uh we don't I don't do very many tequila drinks with him for that reason. In a prohibition era bar, it would really depend on the socioeconomic status of the speakeas you were in. The common ingredient for both is absinthe, the hallucinating inducing green fairy. Ooh, I can't wait. Because of the anti-temperance, moral panics, and flawed scientific experiments, absinthe was notoriously banned across Europe and the US between 1905 and 1915. Thought to be the wormwood in the mix of botanicals with the taste of licorice, the compound through john is not, in fact, a hallucinogenic. But regardless, it is regulated, so traditional recipe absinthe is available again. Prono and herb sanct grew to be the Anise substitute, but today we have the original recipe absinthe, and any hallucinations you have are your own problem.
SPEAKER_01Damn, I was actually looking forward to the hallucinations.
SPEAKER_03I didn't hallucinate last night, so um the traditional way of drinking absinthe was a ritual of dripping cold water over a spoon with sugar cube turning the green liquor into a milky opalescent white. It also releases the essential oils out of the solution and of course dilutes the 130 proof, which is what the proof is of this absinthe. Now, I will go on to say that there's not typically so it was like half like for like on there's two different types of TNTs. There's the normal one, the Canadian whiskey and absinthe, and it was eight equal parts. This is another one that he did that's got um, it's got absinthe, it's got cointro, and I know he says it in here, and I will probably tell you. Oh, cognac is the other thing. Um, so he goes on to say one TNT was equal parts Canadian whiskey, which could be just bathtub pooch with the absinthe used as more to mask flavors. Still pricey, but more working class. The uh fancier places, the TNT was essentially a sidecar with absinthe, which is what this is basically like, is what he told me last night. Um, absinthe, cognac, cointreau, and lemon juice. The sidecar in its origins, and the proper recipe is a topic for its own podcast. But here is the American uh two to one. So it's if you're drinking along, um, get your cognac, contra, cointreau, absinthe, and your lemon juice. So it's one and a half ounce brandy, it's three-quarter ounce cointreaux, and a quarter ounce absinthe with three-quarter ounce lemon juice. And then no sweetener added because the sweetener comes from the cointreau.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Now I don't know if you heard heard my uh hard swallow back there, but I know you saw my face. No. Like what did you say? 180 proof?
SPEAKER_03No, 130.
SPEAKER_01130. I'm still making that face. I mean, you know off of like the last drink I got so drunk. I know. So drunk.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, oh no. But you patted your stomach, you said. I did eat first. I did.
SPEAKER_01And I brought a glass of water to the company. All right, let me give you a glass. Okay, here's my glass.
SPEAKER_03And um, have you ever had any of these ingredients on their own?
SPEAKER_01Are any of them wine?
SPEAKER_03That's right, I forget. I'm just opening your mind to well, I've had Vojtica too. Okay.
SPEAKER_01So I am I am that kind of sophisticated woman. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Um, this cognac that we're drinking is very smooth. Okay, like champagne. Real champagne is from the champagne area in France. Right. So that's why it's called champagne. Any other thing that's not from champagne is bubbly water. Yeah, pretty much. So cognac is in the same quantum sort of vein as the champagne, where cognac is a region of France where cognac is made. And that I think this is the actual cognac bottle.
SPEAKER_00Oh.
SPEAKER_03So this is a a ferrand Ferrand cognac. Um, like I said, very, very smooth. The cointreau is an orange flavored liqueur. Um, I think sometimes it's used as floaters, um, like a grand, like a gramognier and margaritas, uh, if you're fancy.
SPEAKER_01And then when you say floaters, excuse my sophistication yet again.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01I picture what goes in your eye. What is a floater?
SPEAKER_03So a lot of times people will do like a a topper of some sort of like fancy top shelf, like a shot. Okay. So you I don't know if you've ever seen the people that do like the test tube shots in the margaritas, that's what they would consider a floater. So you would take that test tube shot after you get your mix of whatever you're drinking, and you would pour that on the top, and that would be it because it floats. Okay. On the very top. Okay. It's just a fancy way of saying you're gonna get real fucked up real quick. I don't know water if you want water. This is gonna get you so messed up. Because it was not as strong as our Texas old fashions. 130 proof, but that's just um the absinthe, and it's not there's only a little bit of absinthe in this. Okay, it's not half and half.
SPEAKER_01Like this is absent.
SPEAKER_03The absinthe is absent. I think I gave you this one though. I'm sorry, I just gave you in the wrong hand because I'm left-handed. All right. Cheers, sir. Cheers, good luck to the TNT.
SPEAKER_01Wow. As always, I've gotta make a face and I've gotta pull it back. It's not as sweet as the last one.
SPEAKER_03No, it's not. Because there's no simple syrup in this. The cointreau acts as the sweetener, which is the orange. It's the lemon juice that I know is. Is that what I'm getting?
SPEAKER_01Actually, it's almost like bitters. As in like um like the actual rind. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that base just gets bigger and bigger. It's very lemony. Oh, it's more than that. It's okay. It's so much more than that.
SPEAKER_03What? Do you want up on the chair?
SPEAKER_01Fennec the dog wants to play with you. Hi, babes. Fennec the deaf dog wants to play with you.
SPEAKER_00Hi, babes. Jovi's over there. Yeah, there's wires to cross through and unplug.
SPEAKER_01Alright, so tell me the Mothman story that goes with this dream.
SPEAKER_03So, do you know anything or have you read or have you seen the movie Mothman Prophecies?
SPEAKER_01I have not. I now I've heard Mothman thrown around a lot. I know it's a very popular story, but I've never looked into it myself.
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah, so there was a movie that came out with Richard Gere, Mothman Prophecies, and it uh really it was one of those things Wait, Mothman comes with prophecies.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03Okay. He does. Okay. Which um is a big part of uh I guess the story and his his legend. Um, but I think the movie had like Richard Gere in it, and I just remember like coming out of the movie theater and just being like dumbfounded at at how all of it goes. Now, of course it's a movie, so it's high creative liberties were taken. Yeah. Um, but come to find out in doing my research that there was a book that was written back in the 70s called Mothman Prophecies, and so I think they based that on all these things. And one of the characters in this story, um, when I was doing my research, could definitely be his own story with everything that's going on. There is a I'm gonna get myself in trouble, but because I'm not that smart on it, but there's a lot of people in the community that are doing cryptids and hauntings and and aliens and stuff like that. Um it's called High Strangeness.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I've heard that one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And there's a there's a bunch of people, there's a podcast that I really enjoy listening to that talks a lot about high strangeness. They have a TV show that they really base a lot of that stuff on. Um and the the Is it High Strangeness or High Strange? High Strangeness is how I've seen it.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03Um I may have seen a different one. Um well, I mean, it's just it's I I think it's a thought process. And I say see, I meant heard. Heard, okay. Um, yeah, it's it's interesting because like the guy deals with um grays, aliens, and I think he's the one that coined the term high strangeness. So like I started going down that rabbit hole during my research, and I was like, no, no, I really just need to focus on this one part of it. And um, one of the reasons why I wanted to tell this story today was because not only um does it speak to me because of my my childhood, it just I for whatever reason I still remember going to the movie theater when the movie came out. That was you know 25 years ago now or something like that. So um, and just what had happened really I like uh spurned me on to want to tell the story because I think Boomer of all people, who is very technically minded and whatnot, would really understand and like want to do more research based on it. Okay. So Boomer always gets a story before I do. He has not heard this one yet. Oh, he hasn't? No. I'm the first? Uh-huh. Okay, yeah. Nobody uh the only other person that has read this story is my uh my Googles.
SPEAKER_01Okay, you know Annie likes to feel special.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, and this one was just one of those things where like I'm excited to tell it, but uh there's some other I don't know. So this is the legend of the Mothman. Are we ready? Okay. I may take a sip of drink before we get going again. I'll join you. We'll make faces because it's very sour.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Bitter.
SPEAKER_03Bit bitter. Light my soul. Um, okay, so our story starts in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Location, the Silver Bridge. On December 15th, 1967, tragedy struck. Around 5 p.m., the unthinkable happened. The Silver Bridge collapsed, and with the commuters trying to get home from Christmas shopping or from work, they didn't know their fate would change in an instant. You see, the there's gonna be some Do we know how the bridge collapsed? We do.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. That's later.
SPEAKER_03It's I think I cover it. Okay. Um, but yeah, it's it's I don't say weird, but there are people who are like, this is why, but in actuality, this is why. So okay, so the 1,750-foot long bridge was built in 1928 and was built to carry over the Ohio River and to continue US 35. The structure was 102 feet above the deep waters of the Ohio River and a unique eye-bar chain suspension strung from towers on both sides of the river. The name Silver Bridge was, you guessed it. Silver Bridge. The color of the bridge. Yeah, you were close. Yeah. It's original. So original. Um, so cars stuck on the bridge, crumpled like toy choirs. Steel girders trap people in their vehicles, and it only took 20 seconds for the entire bridge to collapse. Yeah. Um, which to me is just driving home from work or whatever, and all of a sudden you're in this cold, icy water. It's insane. Um, so 46 people died that night. They were able to recover 44 of them, and surprisingly, there are reports from people that survived the collapse, recalling of the bridge shaking and going into the water, and somehow miraculously getting out of the vehicle and being rescued in the icy cold water. So the river at this point was about 30 to 70 feet deep with a strong current, and so it's amazing what the human body can do under duress. Here is where our hero enters the chat. Back in November of 1966, the Point Pleasant Register, the first newspaper to report on Mothman. This is gonna be me in the best radio voice that I can do. Couples, that's not even how I'm gonna start it. Couples see man-sized bird, creature, something. And that's the legitimate headline from this uh something. From this, yeah, something, from this newspaper. Roger and Linda Scarberry and Steve and Mary Millette reported seeing a large winged creature whose eyes glow red. Linda reported that the creature was a slender, seven-foot-tall, muscular man with white wings.
SPEAKER_01No, this is after the after the crash. This is before.
SPEAKER_03This is a year before um the bridge collapse. Okay. Bridge collapse was in 67, this was in 66. It's like 13 months um before the bridge collapse. So I think that uh already Mothman is sounding like a dream boat. Seven foot tall with white wings, glowing red eyes. Oh baby. Count me in. Well, minus the red eyes. Oh. Makes me think of my turtles. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Turtles with wings. No. Okay. The red eyes, just the red eyes. Oh, okay. Turtles grow wings, I have no turtles. I think that's also a character in Super Mario Bros. So Linda uh said she couldn't make out his face, but she was entranced by those glowing red eyes. She was not afraid of turtles. Nope. Uh the couple got sp scared and sped away while Mothman chased them down and screeching at them.
SPEAKER_01Like that? Is that how they screeched?
SPEAKER_03So the couples got scared, drove away. Um, Mothman chased them down, and then screeched like Finn barking. Uh, the previous day in November, I should note, it was reported that five gravediggers saw a brown human being flying from tree to tree. Then over the next few days, more people were reporting sighting of a large winged-like creature and thus begun the start of our friend. So, for residents around Point Pleasant, what they were seeing almost made sense from the geography around them. About six miles north of Point Pleasant was the McClintick Wildlife Management Area, known locally as the TNT area. Uh, this 35-acre expanse was formerly the site of the West Virginia Ordnance Works, a massive World War II munitions facility. During the war, the plant produced explosives in a series of igloo-like uh concrete bunkers and specialized laboratories. So that was his research to find this uh this drink for us.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I really wanted to say cheers when you're dead TNT area.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I saw you grab for it.
SPEAKER_01I thought, no, stop. Cheers, TD, dude. Listen to the story. Yes. I'm glad I'm not the only one making the face. You guys are gonna love this drink.
SPEAKER_03Oh love it, love it. I do have to say that um we also did the TNT with just Canadian whiskey one part and absinthe one part. And it was actually surprising. I'm not a big fan of licorice. Um, I just I for whatever reason, I think maybe growing up Twizzlers was a like a big deal.
SPEAKER_01But Twizzlers are cherry flavored, not the licorice.
SPEAKER_03But the black ones, didn't they have like black Twizzlers?
SPEAKER_01Okay, I missed on that. I always saw the cherry on the water.
SPEAKER_03Cherry on the rounds, yeah. Um, I just was not a fan. So I told Boomer that when the drink had gonna have absent, then I was like, oh okay, well, I'll struggle through it because day drinking for the win. Exactly. Um, but we went ahead and tried the the regular TNT with uh Canadian whiskey. And surprisingly, do you remember the little candies that like your family may have carried that were root beer barrels? Yes. They were like a yellow-red packaging that was clear cellophane, but like the ends were yellow red.
SPEAKER_01Actually, I don't remember the packaging. I just remember root beer flavored candies that I was addicted to.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and they had the the the candy itself was in the shape of a root beer barrel. Yes. That's exactly what that tasted like last night.
SPEAKER_01And why didn't you make that?
SPEAKER_03Do you think we'd be making the same face if you would have brought that over? Maybe, but I think Boomer also understood my not like for absinthe, so doing one-to-one.
SPEAKER_01But Boomer, you're making two drinks from your own out.
SPEAKER_03You're gonna try both of them and we're not gonna complain. Um again, I was addicted to those candies. Yeah, it was just it was crazy because like for this one, when we were drinking it, I was like, Oh, I don't taste the absinthe at all. And then at the very end of like the sip, I was like, Oh, there it is. He's like, Well, we have Canadian Club, let me try it with this. And when we tried it, I was like, Well, this is actually not that bad. And maybe I'm growing up and I'm becoming an old lady and I'm gonna have licorice in the little candy jar. As you should. At the crystal bowl with the circus peanuts that my great grandmother used to always have.
SPEAKER_01Okay, we need to stop talking about candy. And they run to the next room and grab some.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, to say that uh a part of the reason on this drink is because of the TNT area with the um munitions facility uh in the area. Um, so the T area was also known to be a place to go and do some necking. Ooh, as the kids like to call it in 1966. After the area was decommissioned, the site remained burdened by environmental contamination and decaying industrial infrastructure.
SPEAKER_01Providing- nothing sexier than that.
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SPEAKER_03Providing a desolate and eerie backdrop that would eventually serve as the home for the reported creature. Yes. So the environmental status of the TNT area is a critical factor in the early development of the legend. In 1983, the site was designated as a super fund site. Not super fun. Okay. But super fund. Does this mean they got funding? Uh, so I go on to say, I highlighted it, a super fund site is a location contaminated by hazardous waste that requires long-term cleanup managed by the EPA.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so they did have to get funding. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Lots. So, due to the toxic waste and environmental pollution which fueled the local speculation regarding the creature's origins, early theories proposed that the mothman might be a biological mutation and a byproduct of a chemical explosure or radiation arising from the abandoned munitions.
SPEAKER_01A man who had been bitten by a radioactive moth.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, that's what happened to Spider-Man. This context of industrial decay and high weirdness created a psychological environment where the line between mundane and the monstrous became increasingly blurred. So that's the background. Okay. So all this to say, the build-up to the Silver Bridge collapsed 13 months later. This tall, winged humo humanoid with glowing eyes was a warning to the community that something bad was about to happen. Uh, after the tragedy, the sightings stopped almost entirely after the collapse. This abrupt stop led to the wildly held belief that the creature was a harbinger of doom, a messenger sent to warn the town of impending tragedy.
SPEAKER_01But they got this off of one instance, right? So there were sightings. There were sightings, but only one bridge collapse.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And I think history now tells us that if like you see something weird like a Mothman, that there is something bad about to happen. And I know that people have come forward and said, oh, that like this tragedy has happened. I saw Mothman before 9-11. Or I saw Mothman after this. And it might just be people trying to make sense of what actually happened, this tragedy in their lives that affects all of us at the end of the day.
SPEAKER_01Um, but I guess I was trying to see how they came to the conclusion that the tragedy was predicted by Mothman. By Mothman. But I guess it's because right after the tragedy, nobody saw him again. That's correct. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03And you know, I think the multiple reports that uh he existed, it it could be anything. Environmental. I mean, I don't know what was actually going on in 66, 67. Um, but I'm there's always chemical spillwise. Yeah, yeah, there's always turmoil in in people's lives. And I think people just try to associate what am I trying to say? Trying to find a a reason or or way around having to directly deal with the situation and with the issue. So, you know, there's a lot of like um one of the stories that I think I want to do research on is called like the third man syndrome. I don't know if you've ever heard of that, where like people are in car crashes and like someone shows up to help them out of like a burning car, and they go to look for this person after they've kind of come down from their crash. Their height of you know whatever, and this person's like doesn't exist, and no one's ever saw them again. And the people that were around there was like, no, there was no other person here, and they were all just cowering away, nobody came to you. So, and I think that like that, that's uh that could be a uh you know, a byproduct of this of just trying to make it make sense.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Um, because I know if there was a serial killer, say Jack the Ripper, and he was killing and killing and killing, and everybody saw this, and then all of a sudden a war happened and the killings stopped. I wouldn't say Jack the Ripper was trying to warn me that a war was coming. I would say, well, something happened to him, he died.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That that would just be me. So I'm like, mmm, but I know there's more, so I'm gonna shut up. Just shut up and let's hear the more.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there may be more.
SPEAKER_01I'm just saying they jumped on it a little too quick.
SPEAKER_03To say that he is the reasoning behind the bridge collapse?
SPEAKER_01Sure. I mean, after the fact, after they'd seen five more instances. Instances with uh the Mothman? And and the and the harbiging. Then they could have backtracked and said, you know what? Come to think of it, yeah. This and this and this and this and this all come out to that. Yes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I and maybe there are people who didn't come forward who saw it because people don't want to I know I'm crazy, but I don't want I don't I don't want to put that out there.
SPEAKER_01Right, right, right. That's that's not their business.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Okay. So the story of the Mothman reached a wider audience when the author Gray Barker, who was known for his books about UFOs and other paranormal phenomena, wrote a book called Any Guesses? To say it. Uh The Silver Bridge.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03In 1970. Okay. So this is three years after um the actual collapse. Uh, then in 1975, John Keel, a researcher and journalist, wrote the book The Mothman Prophecies. His book transformed the creature from a simple bird monster into a central figure in a global web of high strangeness. Mr. Keel's investigative style was heavily influenced by Charles Fort. And I say uh quick, too long didn't read on Chuck Fort. He too was a writer and researcher in the early 1900s who specialized in anomalous phenomenon. And there's a lot to talk about Mr. Fort, but that might be for another time. Yeah, that was the guy that I was like, oh my god, this is just he's his own his own thing. Um, so fun fact there are conflicting stories about who started the Men in Black phenomenon. Gray Barker is said to be the guy that started the Men in Black concept about shadowy agents in black suits who silenced the UFO witnesses to continue the government cover-up. I said, great film, even better main uh song movie dance. I don't know if you ever saw men in black. Yes, I most definitely did.
SPEAKER_01It was so good. I had to learn the dance and everything. I don't remember the dance though. I just remember Steven being absolutely addicted to the second Men in Black.
SPEAKER_03Oh, really? He liked that woman.
SPEAKER_01That woman that would like had the tentacles.
SPEAKER_03Of course he did.
SPEAKER_01He would just go the whole time. I'm like, honey, she's too old for you.
SPEAKER_03Never. She he's too young for her.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_03His 1956 book, They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers, introduced the notion of the Men in Black to Ufology. However, John Keel's story states that he invented the term men in black in an article for the Men's Adventurer magazine saga published in 1967.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03So, and I like I said, I think a lot of this comes back to with the high strangeness of aliens. Mm-hmm. So John Keel's book, The Mothman Prophecy, would be the basis of the movie of the same name in 2002. There is a strong undercurrent of the Mothman legend that involves a connection to the Native American history in the Ohio River Valley. She just took another drink, you guys. That was what the chuckle was.
SPEAKER_01She did a shiver.
SPEAKER_03So researchers and local residents, particularly those of the Shawnee descent, have argued that the Mothman is a modern manifestation of the Thunderbird, a powerful avian spirit known as uh known to the indigenous tribes for millennia. The Thunderbird is described in rock drawings and oral traditions as a large bird-like servant of the great spirit that can create thunder with its wings and lightning with its eyes.
SPEAKER_01No longer only for the indigenous people.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you're saying I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01They're now they now share their gods.
SPEAKER_03I mean, they were here way before us.
SPEAKER_01So they saw it way before us.
SPEAKER_03So to be fair, they were here first. Um, okay. So this interpretation is often paired with the curse of Chief Cornstalk. That was his name, Chief Cherry. In 1777, the Shawnee leader, Cornstalk, and his son were murdered by American soldiers at the fort in Point Pleasant while visiting as peaceful emissaries. With his dying breath, Cornstalk reportedly placed a blood curse upon the land calling for 200 years of tragedy to avenge his death. 193 years later, after the Battle of Point Pleasant, the bridge collapsed, almost hitting the 200-year-old ghost. From this perspective, the Mothman was not a warning omen, but a vengeful agent of the curse. Meant to terrorize the descendants of those who broke the peace. Paralysis of fear, reported by witnesses, is seen as fulfillment of Cornstalk's prayer that the strength of the land's people be paralyzed by the stain of our blood. So the last recent sightings happened in Chicago beginning in 2011 and reaching its peak in 2017. These sightings occurred in a densely populated urban center, often centered around O'Hara International Airport and Lake Michigan waterfront. Even though there have been differences between the Point Pleasant Mothman and the Chicagoan Mothman, the legend lives on adapting to new places, new fears, and new meanings. And I I feel like that goes back to say that people need something to cope with tragedy. They need a third man. Or something. Or yeah, third man syndrome. It just happens to be a six, seven foot-tall, winged, muscular man.
SPEAKER_01Wait, we didn't talk about muscles, did we? Yeah, I said muscles.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's ridiculous. I've been so focused on the red eyes. On the red eyes, because turtles.
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SPEAKER_03Um, so to that point in 2002, this is when the movie came out, Point Pleasant held its first annual Mothman Festival. The Mothman Festival brings an estimated 10 to 12,000 people per year. A 12-foot-tall metallic statue of the creature was unveiled in 2003. The statue has been nicknamed Shiny Heine.
SPEAKER_01Oh my.
SPEAKER_03And if you see photos, he's definitely shiny. People taking photos of the statues, polished, sculpted backside.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was imagining if he was is Heine's getting shinier and shinier as time goes on. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_03There's a lot of, I think I saw a lot of Instagram photos of people taking pictures of shiny Heine.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03Which I just absolutely adore. I think that is hilarious and just my people. Um the Mothman Museum and Research Center opened in 2005. The festival is held on the third weekend of every September, and Point Pleasant has transitioned from a site of trauma to a center of dark tourism and paranormal celebration. Mothman has become the town's beloved mascot. So to wrap up this long story, skeptics and the scientific community have said that the Mothman sightings were a result of a misidentified native or uh migratory birds. Six foot tall. Six foot tall. Yeah. The most highly probable candidate is the sandhill crane, a large bird that occasionally strays from its migration path into West Virginia. For the collapse of the bridge, the infest the official investigation by the National Transport Safety Board, or the NTSB, and the Army Corps of Engineers identified a definitive mechanical cause, a brittle fracture in a single eye bar. And for those who know the story, and if I don't mention this, I usually will get yelled at, it's I bar 330 of the suspension chain. So I think of it as it's a bunch of stuff that comes together. There's holes and there's one peg that goes through. That's the eyebar. So when since it's above a river, what was happening was the water was getting up into the eyebar suspension, pulling, like sitting in one place. It wasn't able to get out because the suspension was so packed in together. So it just ended up eating and corroding away that whole eyebar and that disintegrated. There are pictures of the saving of the eyebar that they were able to get to find out.
SPEAKER_01I am positive that yes, the eyebar was corroded away because Mothman was sitting there licking it and licking it. That's what really happened.
SPEAKER_03I mean, that's what happened. Mothman has very acidic spit. So this failure was attributed to stress corrosion and corrosion fatigue that had accumulated over 40 years. The disaster was so significant that it led to its first comprehensive national bri bridge inspection standards.
SPEAKER_01Oh something good came out of it. We're gonna have something twinsies.
SPEAKER_03Oh really?
SPEAKER_01I also have something that came out of mine.
SPEAKER_03That's so weird that this happens. What are you doing, pups? Okay, you two.
SPEAKER_01We aren't usually this loud with dogs, but it has been rainy and they are star house bound.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Um, so for for most of his existence, the Mothman was called a harbinger of doom, a monster, and a bad omen. But stories don't stay frozen in time, they change as people telling them change. In recent years, something unexpected has happened. The Mothman has been reclaimed, especially by the queer and trans community in Appalachia. Not as a warning of disaster, but as a harbinger of belonging. No longer a creature to fear, but a symbol of being othered. Of being watched, judged, misunderstood, and surviving anyway. A being labeled monstrous without ever being asked who he was, a present that showed up before the tragedy but never caused it. Maybe the Mothman wasn't there to bring doom. Maybe he was there to bear witness. To stand at the edge of a breaking place and say, You are not alone. Because sometimes what we call monsters are really just mirrors, reflecting our fear, our grief, and our refusal to see one another fully. And sometimes the thing watching from the shadows isn't waiting for us to fall, it's waiting for us to belong.
SPEAKER_01Aww.
SPEAKER_03So the end.
SPEAKER_01The end. So where all has he been seen?
SPEAKER_03Off the top of my head, I I'm not sure. But I like I said, I'm sorry. But more than Virginia. More than Virginia. Chicago was mentioned in the story. I Appalachia, so and the Appalachian Trail. So what do you think of the Mothman?
SPEAKER_01I think I think people jump the gun. I don't think he's I don't think he's warning of anything. I think he just happened to be there and they came to their conclusions. Yeah. Yeah. And I think people find the weirdest places to go kissing.
SPEAKER_03Well, but when you're uh Well, I mean if they're not gonna if they think that the place is already kind of haunted and got some weird shit to it, the cops aren't gonna go there. Let the kids neck.
SPEAKER_01Let the kids neck. Yeah. Toxic waste. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Let's see what the babies turn out. We survived. We're fine. We drank water out of the garden hose in the in the yard. Yeah. We were okay. Alright, so what do you think of Mothman? Um, I think that I'm not gonna discount that people didn't see anything. I think that they probably saw something, but I attribute it to something other like I really believe that it could have been just a bird.
SPEAKER_01So how big is the crane that they say it could have been?
SPEAKER_03Oh, you know what? Let's look that up. We have we have devices. We're doing live sandhill crane. Um we're doing live investigations.
SPEAKER_01Because I don't think I've ever heard of one being six foot.
SPEAKER_03Uh so the size, it stands about 3.3 feet tall with a wingspan of about 6.5 feet.
SPEAKER_01Right, but we're not talking about the wingspan, we're talking about how tall it is, right? Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03Three feet. Three feet tall.
SPEAKER_01Because his wings, I don't know. I just keep picturing his wings hanging down, you know, just sitting there. Yeah, yeah, closed up.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, here's a here's a picture of it. Yeah. I mean, I could see how they would think that was grow gl a little bit of uh glowing red eyes because they're it it is red around their eyes. But in my own.
SPEAKER_01But would I confuse that with a man?
SPEAKER_03I mean, if you aren't supposed to be in a place you're supposed to be at.
SPEAKER_01And you're highly drunk.
SPEAKER_03And you're or doing drugs or n necking. I mean, wouldn't you be like, oh, we got chased out by a very large man with wings? It could have been a dude in a Halloween costume. Screeching at their car flying over their multiple places. I mean, I don't know how good the Halloween costumes were in 66.
SPEAKER_01How widespread are these cranes? What do you mean how widespread are Virginia, Chicago, down to Florida?
SPEAKER_03Oh, I see what you're saying. I, you know, I don't know where See, Florida I can see them. Yeah. Yeah, I I don't know. It says habitats, wetlands, grasslands, croplands, roosting in uh shallow water at night.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I just don't see it being the crane.
SPEAKER_03No? I just don't. Do you then what do you think it is? Turtles.
SPEAKER_01I mean, because cranes still existed long after the bridge went down.
SPEAKER_03Right, so all of a sudden seeing this muscular seven-foot-tall man with red eyes.
SPEAKER_01And I would not ever say a crane was muscular. They're narrow chested, if anything.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. I also wonder if there was any like day sightings. If it's all night. Okay.
SPEAKER_01So it's like your eye Which made his red eyes glow because you would never see those cranes the the the coloring, and it's it's it's the feathers around his eye that are brownish red, rust colored.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, I'm wondering if like at night your eye is trying to just fill in the blank spaces. So maybe they saw wings and just automatically said, body. Here's a human body.
SPEAKER_01And how far away did he have to be and standing next to what that made him look six foot tall?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03How do you how can you tell? It's like, hold, hold, please. Yeah. I would take measure out.
SPEAKER_01Oh you are six foot tall. Go past one of those bank doors.
SPEAKER_03Or the um the flood gauges here in Texas in the underpasses. Yep. Which Boomer thought was a joke when he first moved here. Until until it actually happened, he was like, Oh, that makes more sense. Yes. Because being a Florida boy, it rains all the time there. Yeah, okay. He was like, This is funny. This is really cute. Oh no, this is a problem. Houston does not have good drainage. This is a problem.
SPEAKER_01That six feet of water stays right where it is.
SPEAKER_03I thought about buying the sign and put it in our backyard. I think it's just so Houston.
SPEAKER_01Mine is going to be a little over-dramatized. Okay.
SPEAKER_03My story. Are you telling your Galvez? No. Oh we're not there yet.
SPEAKER_01Okay. We're not there yet. Because I still don't have enough meat. Okay. Still just not enough meat. But maybe. I don't know. We'll get there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, I know you wanted to tell a story that was that you had something to do with, but okay.
SPEAKER_01So maybe next time. Next week, Galvez. I won't, I I won't pressure you to do this. Okay, that's fine too. No, I I do want to I do want to tell. I do want to tell it because it is personal, but I feel like I need to learn a little bit more and I just can't find it. I just can't find it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean you can always go into the history of because I was Hotel Gavez, not to interrupt you, you about to start the grand Euro story. But was it I did when the hurricane of 1900 happened, that's what Hotel Gavez became haunted after that because it sits on the site.
SPEAKER_01It was actually, yeah, it sits on the site. It was built after that.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Of the orphanage.
SPEAKER_01No, no, it was near the orphanage. Okay. But no, but some of the bodies had because the bodies were thrown everywhere. Over the place. Yeah, all over the place. So they did find they did find some of the bodies there. Well, okay. That's not that is the one I think I experienced. But that's not the one I focus on. I focus on the uh the bride to be. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03There's always a lady in white, or blue. She chose white. She chose white. Okay. It depends on which part of the United States you're in, which color of the flag you want to be. I can't say I don't know. Different people, different strokes. All right. So what's your story about?
SPEAKER_01Okay. Well, mine is about a railroad crossing. Oh. And you know, like you had a law that was created because of your story, and mine does too. Okay. You know how buses have to stop for for the railroad. Yeah, they have to stop. They have to. Let me see. What is there's rules. There's rules. Well we'll get into that. Before you get started, do you need more of this? You know what?
SPEAKER_03Do me. But do you want more of this? Yes, but also do me. Okay, anyway, I'm sorry. So now that we've refilled our drinks and railroad crossings. Yes, okay.
SPEAKER_01So this story was featured on popular television shows like Sightings and Unsolved Mysteries, as well as numerous Texas magazines and newsletters. Texas, so this is local. Texas is local. This is local. This is local. This is the story of ghosts who refuse to let anyone die the way they did. Okay. Okay, ready to get into it? Got your story listening pants on. Story listening pants. I have to wear pants. You have to wear pants. Story listening pants, not just any old pants. Shit.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna put my pants on. Okay, go get your phone.
SPEAKER_01What are you wearing?
SPEAKER_03Shorts. Shorts. I'm wearing a dress. I put my pants. I have my own pants on. So it's so before you get started, Annie. I I have to laugh at myself. Because we laugh at me. Yeah, I know that. Um when I'm getting ready and I'm coming over here to do this recording, and I'm like, I'm sure Annie looks fantastic. Annie always dresses super fucking nice.
SPEAKER_01She has these fucking awesome cowboy boots that when she wears- Okay, I will admit that my eyes are rolling into my head, but I will admit that cowboy boots.
SPEAKER_03The cowboy boots, like power boots. Um, the whole Nancy Sinatra song, these boots are made for walking, those are Annie's boots. And when I see her in them, I can tell that she's like, I am going to rule this fucking world, and you're not wearing anything. I mean, I'm wearing something, but not on my feet. Sorry, he was like, when I get dressed and I'm like, I'm gonna be a bum because I'm always a bum. And I'm like, I'm gonna go over there and Annie's gonna be wearing something very nice and cute, and I'm gonna look like I have just come out of an orphanage, basically with somebody else's clothes on my back. Whatever, it's fine. I just I I laugh because I know this is what's gonna happen, where I come over here and it's like, Annie, you look so cute, and I'm gonna go play basketball, I think.
SPEAKER_01No, I'm what you're gonna do is wear a shirt that you embroidered yourself and has a very unique one-of-a-kind patch on it. Like, I don't get that. It's my little plague doctor. I don't get those things.
SPEAKER_03Do you want me to make you a shirt? On top of all the other embroidery stuff that I'm doing right now.
SPEAKER_01Well, maybe not. We'll we'll figure out what I want. I can get you a shirt. I'll get you some. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, okay, so trains. Ooh, trains and automobiles. Trains in Houston or Texas?
SPEAKER_01San Antonio. San Antonio. Okay. All right. So it takes place just south of San Antonio, right at the railroad crossing where via Maine curves into Shane Road. Okay. So I want you to go to your phone, your handy little phone. Go to Google Maps and look that up. Via Main and Shane Road. V-I-A Main? V-I-L-L-A-V-A-I-N. One word. Oh, via Main.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01Shane? Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03Like it's.
SPEAKER_01Shane Road. It all started, this whole story. It all started sometime in the late 1930s on a foggy Texas afternoon. And while you're looking that up, I'm just gonna go ahead and start telling you, okay? Foggy Texas afternoon. Foggy Texas afternoon, yes. Did we get fog? In the afternoon, though? In it today. Did I say afternoon? Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah. But we get fog.
SPEAKER_03I so not to go with the story. Not to spoil it, but I popped up and it says ghost tracks. Yep. Yeah, San Antonio. I don't I won't click on the ghost tracks because I want you to tell me.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Well, there's yeah, okay. So on a foggy Texas afternoon. Sure. When a school bus was full of kids, it was making its way home. Okay. So let me walk you through the scene, okay? The school bus driver, he knows each one of these kids.
SPEAKER_03Do we have a year?
SPEAKER_011930s. Oh shit. Okay. In general.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Not 1935, not 1938, just 1930s. Bus driver knows the kids, he knows their names, he knows the parents, he knows their addresses by heart. Um he's already dropped off eight of the kids. Okay. So he's got ten left. Oh, small bus. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yes, small. Yeah. Okay. Small. Um, small school, whatever. Okay. Um, but after this, his day's gonna be over. So yay! Just a few more stops, just over the tracks and on to the other side of town. That's all he's gotta do. He doesn't he doesn't really think about any of this because he's done it so many times before, right? Yeah, the bus rolls up to the tracks, and this is before the law that all buses must stop and look both ways. Yeah. So he just rolls up to the tracks. Um, and you know that rule, right? You have to make a complete stop. I think it's for the buses.
SPEAKER_03I think it's for all buses, right? Yes, all buses, school buses, public buses.
SPEAKER_01Yes, they all have to do it. Um, they must stop and it must be between 15 and 50 feet from the nearest reel. They have to stop and look and listen. They have to open the service door. I did not know that before.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I didn't know that either.
SPEAKER_01They have to open the service door uh and the driver's window to listen and look both directions for approaching trains.
SPEAKER_03Oh, this must have been really fucked up for them to have to do all of these rules all of a sudden.
SPEAKER_01All of a sudden, and there's one more that I did not know about. The driver may not manually shift gears while he's crossing the tracks. So obviously you start in first gear. Uh huh. So once they start up, they have to stay in first gear until they've crossed over.
SPEAKER_03Oh shit.
SPEAKER_01I I guess they could stall out. Like you're if you're in a manual, not an automatic. I see. Okay, okay. And you don't adjust just so you go put Okay. So he's still in first. That was the sound of a car.
SPEAKER_03So, because typically I've I'm not used to driving manual cars. That was not it was something in my growing up that there was a possibility I could drive, but doing the foot pedal thing just never it was never a thing.
SPEAKER_00You've never driven a manual?
SPEAKER_03I've tried once and it failed spectacularly, and I am such a competitive person where if I can't get it right on the first try, fuck it. I'm not gonna do it anymore. That's my own cross. Cross to bear, Annie. Okay, okay. Um so I assume that when you're at a train track or you come to a stop, you put it in neutral. You put it neutral.
SPEAKER_01And you put it on your brake. Okay. And then Because otherwise you have to put it in a gear and you have to put your foot on the clutch and the brake the whole time. The whole time. And that's a lot of work. So you just put it neutral. That way you only have to hold the brake.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
unknownMm-hmm. Okay.
SPEAKER_03So but they have to stay in first.
SPEAKER_01Fun fact: if you are on a hill and you park your car, because your car doesn't have park because it's not automatic, what you do is then you put it in gear and then you turn off your engine, and putting it in gear will hold it in place.
SPEAKER_03See, again, too many goddamn rules to drive a car to Whataburger. Like, give me my automatic and just leave me alone. You automatic. Oh, we're not talking guns.
SPEAKER_01I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03Oh, no. I mean automatic. Yeah. I mean, it is Texas, so sure. Sure. I mean, the mistake is gonna be automatic. There is a possibility where I am driving to Whataburger and I'm going to have a horrible time getting there because you know, 0.5 miles away is gonna be a tragic drive for me. So give me my automat.
SPEAKER_01Give me your automatic because you don't know who you're gonna run into on that road. It's Texas. Yeah, it is Texas. Okay, so this situation is the reason that law is in effect. Yep. Okay. So back to the story. The bus driver's done the route a million times before, right? He knows the kids' addresses, we covered that. He knows the train schedule and he knows what time it is. Because remember, he's going over the road tracks. He knows what time the train goes through. Yeah. But as he rolls up one of the tracks, the bus stalls out. It just dies right there. Now we knew this was coming, right? We knew. So it dies right there on the crossing. And the driver, he's not worried because he knows that the 340 train has already passed. Oh wow. Right? He has plenty of time to get this bus running again. He just needs to jiggle the battery housing. Um that sounds like a lot of work too. Right. No, just pop the hood. He just has to, you know, it'll get him back on the road and they'll be he'll be home in time to grab a beer, catch that radio show he's been really getting hooked on, right? So he opens the door, he pops the hood, and then he hears it. Oh shit. That low growling rumble that means a freight train is coming. How can this be? Right now it's 425.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01The 340 would have gone by more than half an hour ago. The bus driver scrambles to get the terminals in place and he jumps onto that bus to get it started.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. Now the bus driver was right. The 340 was supposed to have already passed, but the loading had delayed the train and the engineer had not been able to make up the time.
SPEAKER_03And I assume they're train arms aren't a thing at this point. Train arms. The things that come down. Oh no. Mm-mm. That's not 1930s. No, we don't have we don't have it yet. Okay. She says with complete complete conviction. I mean, I sure. But you would think also too, because looking at the map of where you sent me, it seems that this railroad is kind of just on the off-the-beaten path. Like it's not through a major uh development of any sort.
SPEAKER_01There is a development right near.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay.
SPEAKER_01And there's the San Juan Mission close by.
SPEAKER_03Sure. I mean, San Antonio is known for all of their missions. Yes. Um, yeah, it just, I guess I can't. If I go and be like, let me see the bird's eye view of this, it's gonna show me current. So I'm sure there's probably a bunch of.
SPEAKER_01I don't know what it looked like in the 1930s. I will say the track is pretty straight. There's no curve.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Some of the stories will say the train was coming around a curve. And that's why he didn't see it. But no, the track is perfectly straight. Okay. So he was not able to make up the time, but of course he is definitely trying to make up that time. He's going as fast as his engine will allow. He's going so fast that through the fog.
SPEAKER_03Is he trying to go forward at this point? Okay. Yes, he's going forward. Yes.
SPEAKER_01He's going so fast that through the fog. It wasn't until he was 200 yards out that he saw the bus. A bus? On the tracks.
SPEAKER_03Parked. The train. The train guys. The train. Yes, the train is trying to go so fast. The bus has not moved. The bus is stuck. The train conductor is there's nothing he can do, is what you're basically saying.
SPEAKER_01He he's he he leans on the whistle, he yanks the brakes with all he's got. Um the metallic aroma of red-hot brakes fills the air, and those within five miles could hear the squealing metal as the emergency brakes engaged.
SPEAKER_03That's gotta be terrifying. It's getting real. Yeah, it's gotta be real.
SPEAKER_01But none of that matters. The bus would not get off the tracks, and the train could not stop in time. How far on to the tracks? So legend has it, it just got up onto the tracks itself and stopped. So I'm imagining the middle of the train right there in the middle of the tracks. Oh, like oh man, okay.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01Got speed. Got speed. There was there was plenty of speed involved, but not for the bus. Alright, so the impact tore the bus in two, as you're shockingly surprised by, right? I mean shrapnel and debris was scattered everywhere.
SPEAKER_03I just I hate the fact that this happens.
SPEAKER_00But okay. Okay, okay. It's just a ghost story, honey. I well, I'm emotionally. But also it's not. See, you can't do that to me.
SPEAKER_01Just let you down, pick you back up, let you down.
SPEAKER_03What do you do to me, Annie? Where are you moving? Yeah, we're gonna be able to. Take a deep breath. Yeah. Here, take another drink. Take a drink.
SPEAKER_01Yum. Alright, so we talked about the shrapnel debris all over the place. Are we past the lemon stage stage? We're back into the nightmare stage.
SPEAKER_03No, we're past the lemon stage, too.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, yeah. Our mouth is no longer making faces. Our mouth is no longer making faces. Nope, nope, now we're just guzzling.
SPEAKER_03Go, go, go, go, go. That is that's gonna be a shirt. My mouth is no longer making faces. Perfect. Well written. Perfect. I I'm here for it. Okay, so try and cut in half. Just a ghost story, but not really. Annie breaks my heart.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Um, a second later, the break smell is replaced with a harsh, acrid mix of burnt metal and melting plastic. Doom doom doom do. I love that we're doing our own sound effects, too. This is great. I thought you said that thing had sound effects. Where's my doo doo doo doo?
SPEAKER_03I don't know if there's a do-do-do.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna hit a button and it's not gonna be good. Let's do it. I don't want it to be too loud, though. I'm gonna do go a C.
SPEAKER_01That's rain.
SPEAKER_03No, I think it's applause.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is it? Okay. You're right, you're right. I think it's okay. Now you know what I think rain sounds like. There we go. That's the one we wanted. Remember that one. You'll use it three more times in this story. Oh my god. It didn't do that. So good. Such perfect timing. I don't know what A and B do, but I am concerned. Definitely stick with D. Okay, we'll stick with D. Okay. So the engineer, he gets out and he checks for survivors. How many did he find? None, I would think.
SPEAKER_03Well, okay, no. I'm gonna I'm going to train cut in half. Only 10 kids and a driver. Drivers in train trying to get the thing to go over the tracks. This is how I keep her busy. So drain. Yeah, crazy math. Uh driver dead. Okay. And I'm gonna say four kids perished, six survived.
SPEAKER_01Alright. Absolutely wrong. Oh shit! There you go. All ten children in the bus driver were instantly killed. Well, okay. Yep. I had hope. Right there at that crossing where Villa Main curves into Shane Road. So I had you look that up on the Google Maps and you already shared what it says right there. That's that's pretty cool, right? That it's actually listed.
SPEAKER_03That it says ghost tracks. Yep. Yeah. Yep. But like looking at this, because it's real close to San Antonio River. There's a there's a hiking trail just uh west of it, it looks like. Um to me, it just it feels like there wouldn't be a lot going on around here because it looks like it's a protected area of the city.
SPEAKER_01Well keep it right there at that size, keep it right there, and we'll come back to it later. Okay. Okay. So the story doesn't end there.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay, there's more to it. Not long after the crash. There's no, no, no more people died. But you know ghosts don't like to rest.
SPEAKER_03Sure. Well, when it comes to tragedy like that, yeah, they don't like to they don't know how to ghosts don't have time to sleep. They don't have well, they don't know how to handle what's just happened to them. Mm-hmm. You know, it's my water bottle out of the way. Um when someone's taken so suddenly, you know, is that Am I really dead? Am I just sitting here in a weird world? Right. I mean, I think of Gettysburg all the time. Those those people who were fighting a war for um slavery, and people go all the time and have experiences after experiences after experience.
SPEAKER_01So all people all ten people died. All ten people died, mm-hmm, but not after long the not long after the crash. Now the alcohol is starting to play with my tongue. Yeah, that's what happened. Um developer starts building a neighborhood, and it's just yards away. Okay. Um, almost immediately the construction crews start having problems. The John Deere machine machinery, God, yeah, it's I swear it's the alcohol.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01The John Deere machinery fizzles out. Uh-huh. Um, motors and backup generators just explode, sinkholes open up in the earth, tools go missing, and the foreman who guards the site overnight comes back rattled. Okay. The developer really needs this land sold. Like, what what developer doesn't? But he's already he's already building on it, right?
SPEAKER_03He's already building on it.
SPEAKER_01And the only way to do that is to build the houses. He's built.
SPEAKER_03But that means he's already sold, right? Or he's bought the land. He bought the land, he's gotta build the track houses and then sell them.
SPEAKER_01Yes. So there's only one way he can think of to make all this stop.
unknownOh, oh, please don't.
SPEAKER_01He's gonna name the streets after the children. I was about to say, that's a terrible idea. Okay, now blow up the map. What the fuck, Annie? It looks like it's all out of the middle of nowhere, but blow it up. Look at those names. Get the fuck out of here. Names like Bobby Alan Wei, Lara Lee Way, Nancy Carroll Way, Richie Otis Way, and Cindy Lou Wei. That's fucked up. I'm sorry. All named after kids.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I appreciate the fact that you are paying homage to a tragedy. However, well, it worked. What do you mean it worked?
SPEAKER_01Oh, because he because him whether it was out of guilt, him superstition, whatever. Him since he put the names on the signs, and although it didn't make the children go away, it must have appeased them because construction was finished and everyone was happy.
SPEAKER_03So, like my story, do you think that's actually a thing, or is there some other shit that's going on where the land can't be built upon because there are sinkholes? It happens all the time here in in Houston. It does, but he did. That that land is developed. You see it? That little neighborhood. Yeah, I s I I just I appreciate the fact that you have named things after the kids that have passed away, but you're just now keeping their memory alive and potentially making it more maybe maybe that's why the fucking train tracks has ghost tracks because people go visit all the time, it seems all the time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You know, that's the one thing. So I had a son who died right before he turned 21. And I had him cremated, and one of the many things I have about guilt is the fact that he didn't get a headstone. Part of me always thinks he would have liked to see his name. He would have liked to see his name out there somewhere. And shame on me for not making sure that happened. Huh. So I can't help but think that yes, these kids would have been happy to see their name somewhere.
SPEAKER_03They want to be mentioned.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so I told you this made everybody happy, but more than happy because now the ghost children seem to have a new goal. To haunt the fucking houses? Because you're right there. Look at you, and I love the face you're making right now.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. Well, of course, you've named the streets after dead children who have died a horrific death that they it could have been fixed, it could have not happened.
SPEAKER_01My favorite part of the story is that you went the wrong direction. Yay! Oh, I did. Okay, great. It means there's still surprise to come. Wait, wait. Oh, I hit there it is. Yes. No, their whole goal was to make sure this tragedy never happens again. So, according to locals, it is not possible to stop on the train tracks. Okay. You if you try, your car will be pushed right off. Sure. That's pretty cool. Yeah, right? So they do try to do it. They try, they will drive out to the crossing, they'll park the car just above, just before the tracks, and they'll shift it into neutral. Um, then they wait. In less than a minute, something will push the car up over the tracks to safety. They will say it's a small hands pressing from behind, the kids making sure that nobody else dies the way that they did. So now you are mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm in such a way that says you know something about train tracks that I don't know. I know the story. You know this story? I do know the story. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03So you do know. Okay. I I mean I like obviously I want to hear I don't know the history behind it or what the hell happened, but I have heard about the kids and the hands and the pushing up the hill and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01So some of this will not be a complete surprise to you. So to make sure that they are really being pushed, they will dust their trunks with baby powder. Um when they get out on the other side of the tracks, they check it out, and sure enough, little handprints are pressed in the white powder, finger, and this is the point that they always want to make sure you understand. The fingertips are pointing up. Uh it I'll I'll get into that in a minute. Okay. Very subtly, I'll get into it. I don't know if you'll notice when I do, but anyways. But it's basically fingertips pointing up, it's to say that something was pushing you from behind.
SPEAKER_03So when you say fingertips up, you mean like fingertips, like the it's not to the side, it's not so good.
SPEAKER_01It's not like you're trying to open the trunk and you're just smudging it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if you were putting your hands on something trying to push a boulder up a hill, fingertips to the sky. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yes, exactly. All right, so like I said early, this earlier, this has been on sightings and unsolved mysteries. It's been in Texas magazines and newsletters for decades. And I already showed you that Google Maps has it labeled as ghost tracks. Yes. Uh uh, Google tried to come up on my phone. I saw Google wake up. It's like you you spoke. You said something? Yes. Yes, ma'am. So people have driven from all over the country just to put their car neutral at this intersection. Sure, yeah. Don't get me wrong, I would love to. I think it'd be awesome. We'll get into that in a minute. Okay. Five minutes, ten minutes, we don't know. All right, but before we get into that, I did pull up some comments from people who actually went. Okay. Okay. So one of them had gone to the railroad tracks with a few of their friends, and after having driven over the tracks a couple of times, they chatted with some of the visitors who had already taken a Lincoln Continental, that's over two and a half tons of car over the tracks. How old is this?
SPEAKER_03Lincoln Continental, that's like a 90s.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, I don't know. I didn't see how old the comet was. This is somebody's remembrance. Lincoln Continental, right?
SPEAKER_03Those are boats of a car, by the way.
SPEAKER_01They they are exactly two two two and a half or more pounds, tons, tons, not pounds. It's a big car. Yep. Yeah. So the people in the Lincoln Continental were a husband and a wife and a visitor from Mexico. Remember, people were driving from all over to try out these tracks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now the visitor from Mexico, he didn't believe that the car moved on its own. Okay. So the visitor even accused the husband who was driving that he made the car roll. So the husband and his wife got out, let their Mexican visitor take the wheel for himself. They parked the Lincoln just off the tracks with the engine shut off, and then their visitor with the visitor in the driver's seat. Um, the car suddenly began to roll. The visitor screamed and slammed on the brakes. He couldn't stop the car until it couldn't stop the car. He couldn't stop it. No, they had to complete the track, the crossing track. He even tried to put the whole thing into park.
SPEAKER_03Wouldn't do it.
SPEAKER_01Wouldn't do it. Nope. It just sped forward. Wow. So the person writing this said that they've never seen anyone so terrified. Once the car had finally stopped, the visitor jumped out, still screaming and shouting in Spanish, then demanded that the host take him back to his hotel, stating he was never coming back again.
SPEAKER_03Was this an Uber?
SPEAKER_01No, no, I don't think Uber was around at this point. So I doesn't matter. This is an old story being shared on the internet. I was like, how does the person doesn't matter? Okay. So another writer drove that he went over the tracks with in his 1968 Firebird convertible. I I think it was older than the actual date. I'm sure he would, you know. It was just an old car. Yeah, not the story was that old. Yes. The bird had been chirping happily until he stopped just before the tracks. Then suddenly the chirping bird went silent.
SPEAKER_03Okay. It wasn't he's paying attention to his bird. Yeah, I love the fact that he has made his his car a oh, we're back to the faces. Back to the faces. Um I'm I'm glad he's made his car a person. Oh no, no. Has put a persona to his vehicle. The chirping bird, right?
SPEAKER_01It's a thunderbird. Nope. It's an actual parakeet. He's got a parakeet in the car with him. It's a brand new parakeet. God damn it. He just went to the pet store, he picked up a parakeet. The chirping bird. The chirping car. The car stopped chirping. The bird stopped chirping. Everybody stopped chirping. Everything was silent as could be.
SPEAKER_03Who could have been this thunderbird? It's called the chirping bird.
SPEAKER_01But is it an actual fucking parrot?
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it's an actual fucking parrot. Okay, great. But also the car stopped making noise because he turned it off and he put it in park. He put it in neutral. Yeah. Not in park. And uh so he his whole claim to fame is that after they had left, they had gotten pushed over the tracks, and they started up the car and they drove off again, then the bird started chirping again. That was his whole story.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01It was deep. Deep. So deep.
SPEAKER_03Super deep.
SPEAKER_01Super deep. Well, a third writer said she had put baby powder on her car. When she got to the other side of the tracks and looked, she saw multiple small handprints and one adult-sized handprint. Okay. She says that uh these handprints did not belong to her because the larger one was larger than any of hers and smaller than her husband's. She said she didn't live anywhere where kids could place their hands on her car. Also, all the smaller prints were on the bumper and the larger one on the ridge of the trunk. Okay. So the bumper, of course, is too low for anybody to do anything other than push the truck.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And uh she says, what did she say? Let me read this. Let me see. Uh doot doot all prints were were oh yeah, all prints were with the fingertips pointed up. Unlucky, unlike if somebody touched the back and just, you know, to open the trunk, it would have just been a smudge.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So she felt like this was absolute proof for her. The authorities really want people to stop testing out the ghost story. As you can imagine. They claim, rightfully so, that the game of stopping on or near the tracks is disruptive and dangerous. Okay.
SPEAKER_03So we're still in like the 19th. We're we're now. We're now. We're now and we're now have they not updated the tracks to do the train arms. They have. People are trying out this whole ghost theory with the with the powder and whatnot. If there are train arms involved, and they're saying, like, don't do this, it disrupts train schedules and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no. Not not the train schedules. They're just saying that if people keep parking their car there, what if one does stall out? Your car is parked on the tracks. Okay. They're saying it's dangerous. I see. They're saying it's disruptive because you're also stopping traffic. You are stopping traffic that might be otherwise going, and you're hindering it because you decide to stop and put your car in neutral and wait.
SPEAKER_03I see. All right, it's disruptive and it's dangerous. Because what if your car did not start back up?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And then then sure, the arms might go down, but you're still on the tracks.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And the train comes.
SPEAKER_03Well, so hopefully by that time you would be able to get out of your car and just push. Or have the kids push it for you.
SPEAKER_01I think I'd just get out of the car and run personally. Yeah. That's what I would do. So there would be car flying all over the place because I would just run.
SPEAKER_03Do you cover? Do you say anything about this? Has has anybody else been hit?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03On the tracks since nobody has recorded having been hit.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So no, they all get pushed out of the way. Alright, so so the authorities really want people to stop doing this. They went so far as to have investigators measure Shane Road. They said that they took a level out there, and it although it looks like it's a slight uphill, they say it's actually a degrading. Right. So the decline there is enough, they say, to roll a car forward without any help.
SPEAKER_03So that goes without saying.
SPEAKER_01Then why did the bus not roll? Roll. Exactly. Alright, so according to them, this is not the work of ghosts. It's just gravity. Okay. It's just gravity. It's just innocent little gravity. But the ar the residents, of course, argue this. Sure. Obviously. They say that they've taken levels out themselves and it is not a decline. And they argue that even if it had been a decline, it would not have been steep enough to move several tons of car.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, I think a bus alone is right there. We've already got it. Than a car. A Lincoln Continental might be a little close to being a bus size.
SPEAKER_01It might be, but if you're thinking the bus has length to it, Well. So you know how train tracks often have that little bit of a hill to them? A little hump.
SPEAKER_03But does this have a hill to it? If it's a degrade.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So officials say that it goes down a little bit after the tracks.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01And residents say it goes up a little bit. But I just know that most train tracks have a bit of a bump.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But a bus would have been on either side of that. The tires from the front and the tires from the back would have been cleared on either side.
SPEAKER_03So we're at a standstill at that point with the with the tires, right? Because can't go forward, can't go backwards because you're perfectly balanced within the train tracks itself.
SPEAKER_01That's what I would think. Okay. Yeah. So let me see. The hand prints.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. Forensic studies say that the oils from your hands can stay on a car's surface even after washing the car. It's invisible until the pout powder brings them out.
SPEAKER_03Okay, cool. But if you don't have kids or small handprints, how do you get around that?
SPEAKER_01Right. Well, there's even more than that. The residents, of course, have to have their two cents in it. They say that they go ahead and wash the car with Dawn dish soap to ensure that no oils remain. Okay. And then they powder it and go over the tracks. Does Dawn oil? It takes oil. I mean, come on, you've seen the little duckies.
SPEAKER_03I've seen the duckies. I have seen duckies, you're right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So they're still saying the hamprints happen after it's been with Dawn.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So no matter which side is right, there's one very important fact. And you're not gonna like this one. The accident, as we said, led to the law on buses stopping before tracks, but it actually came from an accident that happened in Salt Lake City. That sounds exactly like the story I told you. There is no record of this or any similar accident happening in San Antonio. Um wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER_03So you're saying that the San Antonio thing potentially didn't happen, but people have taken the Salt Lake story and have applied it to their own San Antonio.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. In fact, the news of the Utah crash was aired in San Antonio for 10 days straight. Okay. In brutal detail. And the officials say that somewhere across the decades, the geography just shifted in people's memories. The tragedy became local.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. So it was a whole Mandela effect, basically, of like, was there fruit in the fruit of a loom? Was there a cornucopia of the fruit of a loom?
SPEAKER_01Was there a third man? Yeah. So I found a record of the accident on the Utah Department of Public Safety website. Okay. They summarized the back bus accident. That's what they're doing. They're just summarizing the bus accidents. Decade? 1930s? 1939. You want me to read it? Wow. Yes. Copied the whole thing down. Alright, so ready? Yes. All right. On Thursday, December 1st, 1938, a school, oh, I said 39. 1938. That's fine. A school bus lumbered down a narrow country road in route to Jordan High School. Farold Sillicks, the driver, had driven the Bluffdill and Riverton route for the past three years. The 29-year-old driver had memorized the names and addresses of all the children who rode this bus. This is insane. I know, right? The roads that morning were slippery, covered with a light dusting of snow. A low fog, yeah, here it comes. Hung near the open bodies of water and depressions on the ground.
unknownOh my God.
SPEAKER_01Delayed for over one hour the flying Ute, a Denver and Rio Grande Western freight train with 51 cars with northbound, and was trying to make up for lost time.
SPEAKER_03This is crazy.
SPEAKER_01Farold had crossed the rural railroad tracks several hundred times in the past three years. He knew the train schedules. He had never seen any trains on the crossing at this time of day. Farold failed to see the flying Ute until the bus was already on the tracks. The school bus was struck broadside and split in half. The largest portion of the bus was thrown 40 yards northwest of the crossing, and bodies of the children were thrown on both sides of the track.
SPEAKER_03Same amount of uh body count?
SPEAKER_01Nope.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01The cab of the bus was carried in the front of the locomotive for a distance of 2,000 feet down the track. Holy shit. Several children and the bus driver were trapped inside. Oh my god. It was the nation's worst motor vehicle accident on the record at that time. There were 38 students plus the driver on the bus. The bus driver and 25 children ultimately died from this transit. I like my uh only six survived out of the ten. But okay. Well, let's see, let's see. Okay, so there are 38 students plus the bus driver. So 39 people, right? 25 children died. So 38 minus 25 is how many? Oh 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. So that's eight plus five, more than what you said. 13? Yeah. More than what you said. But that's because there were so many more kids on the bus. Yes. Right. So this this that that was the that was what I read on the Okay. Go ahead. I was just gonna say on the on the Utah public uh transmit site.
SPEAKER_03Hold up. So then why is the whole entire fucking neighborhood named after kids that perished on a train track? Do you really want me to ruin it for you? I mean you're gonna.
SPEAKER_01Developer named them after his own kids. Fuck off. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's that's that's what I heard. All the way off. That's what I heard.
SPEAKER_03God damn it.
SPEAKER_01That's what that's what all my diggings said, and I'm like, I don't like that answer either. So we had like ten fucking kids? There were five. Fuck oh my god. But each kid had two names. So you would think that, you know. You have two names. I have two names. Yeah, but you would think that maybe it Carol Ann was like Carol and Ann. They just mixed it so that both kids' names were on there. Oh my god. You would think. But no. Carol Ann was the kid's name. Holy shit. How'd you go on? I am I'm not mad. No. You're mad. No. But that doesn't stop the fact that people keep getting pushed over the tracks, does it?
SPEAKER_03Well, there is a scientific study behind all that, right? There might be. Of the kid. I'm sure you have more. I know you have more. Well, maybe.
SPEAKER_01After this whole Utah thing.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Well, I I will say that story I picked up. Remember, I said they were in gruesome detail, they were advertising, not advertising, they were announcing this in San Antonio, and to the point that San Antonio started to think it was their own little legend.
SPEAKER_03So but why was it so prevalent in San Antonio when this is Salt Lake?
SPEAKER_01It was just such a big story that it it went nationwide because San Antonio really adopted it. Yes. Okay. So many kids died. Okay. It was it was like a shooting. You know, we talk about it. But this really just got talked about over and over and over again. Until again, they they they owned it. They owned it. That sounds like Mothman. This yeah. This wasn't as gruesome detailed as many of the news reports that you could find online, but they were all in really tiny prints, so I didn't want to go that way. But also this one was safer to read aloud. Okay. So I just want you to know that there are more gruesome. If you were to go to the any of the old newspaper prints and try and blow them up, because you know you can do that on the computer, just blow it up, blow it up. Yeah, they're a lot more gruesome. It's not like there's pictures and everything of they've got they've got pictures with drawings saying this is where the bus is.
SPEAKER_03Fuck.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So does this make you want to drive up to San Antonio and test out the trucks? Sure. Yeah?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01You're out of luck.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_01Sorry. Because the kids' names aren't the real fucking kids' names for the Because law enforcement had been dealing with Halloween traffic dams out there for years, and the railroad is more than happy to let the legend die quietly, and this is how they did it. Okay. In 2015, Union Pacific put the final nail into Ghost Story. They installed two miles of new siding track alongside the original crossing. So siding track is like if you've got, say, two trains going different directions, it's siding track will help you bypass one. So it's it's a it's a double-layered train. So you you switch the tracks over and the train goes over. Same area? Mm-hmm. So yes, but one goes north and one goes south. So you've got a north and a south bound track. Okay. Over that area so that one can cross over while the other one waits, and then the other one can continue on. Okay. Yeah, so they they put new siding track there.
SPEAKER_03Um Is it like is it obviously not in the same location?
SPEAKER_01It's exactly that location. That's exactly where they chose to do it.
SPEAKER_03So they've basically built it up. They've completely changed the elevation, they've changed everything. I see. Okay, sure. Yep. I understand. Okay.
SPEAKER_01So the whole tracks have been changed. So nothing about the original is still there. So Okay. Good luck.
SPEAKER_03It doesn't take away the fact that the um what do we call it? The degradation where you think it goes up, but it actually goes down, but it's such a it's gotta be subtle if you it visually looks taller.
SPEAKER_01It can't be that much that much of a degrade.
SPEAKER_03What else do you got?
SPEAKER_01Nothing. That's it. That's pretty much it. I'm just thinking how crazy it was that people would just stop on the tracks and just wait.
SPEAKER_03I do remember seeing something to that extent of like people, like a survey are going out there and showing that yes, it looks like it's going uphill. If you were to do the math, it actually is going down. It's just the way the trees have built been have been um grown and all of these things. I didn't know that the freaking dude who is developing the goddamn shit is naming it after his own kids in Lou I just That's just what I read. Doesn't make it true. Well, but I can totally see somebody who needs to sell the land after all the fucking problems he's having with potholes and things falling in on themselves and all this other shit that goes with it being like, I'm gonna name it after the kids because in the 1930s, who's gonna be able to to verify that?
SPEAKER_01I will say those kids, those those names of the streets do sound kind of antiquated.
SPEAKER_03Sure. Has anybody ever checked against the kids that were on the on the bus?
SPEAKER_01I don't think they have.
SPEAKER_03Because the bus never existed in San Antonio.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_03It was always in Utah.
SPEAKER_01It was always in Utah.
SPEAKER_03Get the fuck out of here. I why do you do this to me? I love this. This is why I keep coming back to it. This is insane. What a great story. I hate ruining a story though.
SPEAKER_01No, it's there's no ruining in any of it. Because because for a lot of I I can't get over the fact that for a lot of people, doesn't matter where the story started, it's right there. Yeah. They are getting pushed over those tracks and they are finding the handprints on their card.
SPEAKER_03But if there is a survey that tells you otherwise, would you believe that? I mean, obviously you can't test that now because they've done something.
SPEAKER_01So I can't take my own level level with the stick out there.
SPEAKER_03So I am gonna say that if you are super interested in going and doing something like that, there is something in Houston that is very reminiscent of that. I'm going to butcher the story because this is all off the top of my head where I used to live. There is a park, uh, Bear Creek Park, that's a golf course that also floods exponentially when it rains. But there is a it's a very sorry, there's a very simple I'm apologizing to an inanimate object.
SPEAKER_01The mic took offense.
SPEAKER_03Um there's a a concrete bridge. It's not very long, but there is a concrete bridge that exists. It's the same sort of idea. Where I remember reading the story about this place that I was at, like after I had moved. And it was one of those things where like you put your car in neutral and something is going to push you across whatever, whatever. So did you ever you but you never tried it? I never tried it because I didn't know about it until like way after I had left that area. That's too bad. I mean, but the thing is, it still exists. There's still a very drivable area uh to that area. But there is a place where they have that same exact idea where if you park your car and stop, something's gonna push you over, or you're gonna see some sort of spiritual inhabitant of uh the area.
SPEAKER_01I really feel like we need to research this personally.
SPEAKER_03We need to go do a road trip. I say road trip. You say road trip, I say road trip, and it's all of what 30 minutes.
SPEAKER_01No, 50.
SPEAKER_03Well, 30 minutes. Yeah, 30 miles, 50 minutes.
SPEAKER_01Anything in Houston is 50 minutes away from you. Yeah. It doesn't matter where you are. It's true. It's 50 minutes away.
SPEAKER_03It's true.
SPEAKER_01It's been a great day.
SPEAKER_03Have you felt good?
SPEAKER_01Yes, I feel good. And you know what? I want to say that if anybody has any comments on what we've spoken about, any of the stories, if you've had any history, I would love to know if you've had any experiences yourself with either Mothman or with the railroad tracks. Let us know in the comments section.
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